If you see a Notre Dame fan.....

#51
#51
To all of the pissers and moaners on here. If you see a Notre Dame fan, and a legit one, not a bandwagon, do me a favor. Ask them how they felt when they hired the Head Coach at Cincinnati, and how it's working out for them.

Well I hope I qualify. Many fans were disappointed when Kelly got the job as they thought we should have hired Saban, Gruden, Stoops, or Meyer. The problem, as you guys are well aware, those types of coaches are very hard to get. The expectations of many fans are out of whack with reality. It's prevalent in every rabid fan base.

I was excited about Kelly as I thought he was the best realistic guy out there. He had won everywhere he had been so I figured he would win at ND. My concern with Kelly (the same can be said about Butch) was if he could get a great defense and be able to run the ball. I don't care what type of offense you have, you have to be able to run the ball. Games are won and lost on the LOS and nowhere is that more evident than the SEC.

Kelly has done a great job of creating a tough, disciplined football team and has recruited both sides of the LOS better than anyone since Holtz. If Butch can do the same he will be successful at UT.

I've lived in Tennessee the past 14 years so I've followed the Vols more than anyone save the Irish. I'll be rooting for him to do well, you guys have too good a fanbase and history to be mediocre. Good luck on the end of recruiting and next year.
 
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#53
#53
Also, if Tennessee played Notre Dame's schedule, Dooley would still be the coach and everyone would be happy.

That is simply not true. We would not have beat Oklahoma, Michigan State, Stanford, nor Michigan (all top 20) Dooley never beat a Top 20 team. We would have struggled against the rest of their schedule, except for perhaps Wake Forest and Navy. I grew up hating ND, but I also have eyes and a brain.

Notre Dame 2012 Schedule - Fighting Irish Home and Away - ESPN
 
#54
#54
Yes your right but all the names mentioned above came in with high calibar staff members. Stoops, Charlie Strong, Chavis, Dan Mullins is just some at the top of my head.

Richt got Rodney Garner which I truly feel was part of Fulmer's demise. Garner was able to get us some bigtime recruits during the 90'.

Mullen was a QB/OC coach at Utah and Bowling Green with Meyer so he wasn't a big name. Can Bajakian be that? Maybe? Spurrier went through several DC's before getting Stoops at UF. Chavis came to LSU much later, he didn't get there with Miles. Meyer inherited Strong at UF, he was already there.
 
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#57
I have told you who we should have hired...my list (after Gruden said no)
Cowher
Sumlin
Petrino

So who's next on your list, because Cowher is laughable, Sumlin aint going anywhere and one year in the SEC isnt "proven" imo. Petrino.....while he may be a proven winner hes also a proven douche bag. Who are you next 3 choices. Surely youve got more than those three. How about Pelini? No thanks. What about Bielema? Not our style. Who else you got?
 
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After the last couple of weeks, I'm just excited that we finally have a coach in place and can move on. I think we'd be best served to getting behind Coach Jones and his Staff (whoever it ends up being). I understand the "wait and see" approach because, as supportive as I am of our new coach and our team, I've been burned too many times lately to do otherwise. However, the open declarations of failure at this point are a bit hard for me to swallow.

Coach Jones seems to have energy and he has emphasized the right things coming in. He called Tennessee his "dream job" and that (sadly) was almost enough for me given the Kiffin fiasco and being turned down by Gruden, Gundy, and Strong (of which I think Strong was the only one who was really considering it). Coach Jones has retained Jay Graham, which was a great move ... although I wish he'd kept Hinshaw and Pittman, too. We'll have to see how the rest of his staff turns out.

The big thing for me is to wait on news from the recruiting front. Here is the decisive point of the fight. Coach Jones and his team MUST get an above expectations result THIS February on signing day. It doesn't have to be a top 5 class, but a top 15 or 20 would be good considering that he just took over. If there are 2 or 3 pleasant surprises in that class with some new guys swinging our way that weren't before, I'd say that would be an awesome sign of what's to come.

Of course, at the end of the day, it's what happens on the field that counts. Coach Jones MUST win at least 1 meaningful game in the SEC next season. This means knocking off UGA, South Carolina, Florida, or Alabama (not exactly an easy task). On top of that, he needs to beat Auburn, Missouri, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky. If he gets 5 SEC wins next season, I'll be fairly pleased with where we're going. If he does better, I'll be climbing the walls. If he does worse, my expectations for the future will be troubled.
 
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All you bashers need to go somewhere else if you cannot support your team and coach. I've been a fan and bleed orange for 52 years. These other fellows did not want to come to Tennessee... up theirs. I believe Jones will be good for Tennessee. Now his staff hire will be his demise. Hope he gets a good defensive coordinator.. go vols..
 
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I don't give a crap about Butch Jones. My point is he is not the right hire for Tennessee at this time. Like I have said, we needed a PROVEN winner now...not some coach trying to PROVE himself. I know that every coach needs to prove themselves at some point, but our program and fanbase does not have the luxury of waiting for that at this time. Did you see the attendance this year (exception was the Fla game)?

Find you another team.
 
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Find you another team.

Because he wanted the best coach possible for the team he loves? Loyalty is to the team not the hired gun at the helm. This coach will have to earn it and if he does we will love him. That is the gig.
 
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You guys who are Jones bashing simply do not realize - after several rounds of bad picks, UT is simply not the cherry it once was - and there is no way that those who are ALREADY at the very top will come here. If you had made that argument after Fulmer was booted, there would be some sense to it but, while TN has the money and attendance records, it has not been a winning program for some time. No one is going to leave a winning program they built to come to UT to start it from scratch. The best chance we have is to get someone who is a winner on a smaller scale and who is able to translate that into the big time and build a great VOL program. I am hoping thats what Jones will be able to do.
 
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BK went 34-6 at Cincy in a more competitive Big East; Jones beat one ranked team his entire career (a 6-6 VaTech team)

The Big East is as down as its ever been and Jones record is just a little above mediocre.

GL Vols. But I do not believe Butch is the guy.
 
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You guys who are Jones bashing simply do not realize - after several rounds of bad picks, UT is simply not the cherry it once was - and there is no way that those who are ALREADY at the very top will come here. If you had made that argument after Fulmer was booted, there would be some sense to it but, while TN has the money and attendance records, it has not been a winning program for some time. No one is going to leave a winning program they built to come to UT to start it from scratch. The best chance we have is to get someone who is a winner on a smaller scale and who is able to translate that into the big time and build a great VOL program. I am hoping thats what Jones will be able to do.

We have not been a winning program for three years. We hired a coach with a losing record and he lost here as well. Butch is definitely better than what we had but we have to see if he can be as good as the competition.
 
#72
#72
I like Butch Jones. I think he's got loads of potential, but let's stop with the stupidity. His resume is nowhere near as good as Brian Kelly's was when Notre Dame hired him.
 
#73
#73
I'm not understanding all the negative energy against CBJ. Here are two little points to consider:

1. CBJ is the new coach. Done deal.
2. He might not be a NFL name but he's made a name for himself taking his former team to post-season gameplay.

Unless some of those negative commenters happen to be the Chancellor, AD, governor or big $$$ benefactor, all you're doing is talking to this chat room.

Sorry to be so blunt but I'm glad we finally have a coach and one who seems genuinely interested in this program. As a fan I support the man. Give him a chance!:yes:
 
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BK went 34-6 at Cincy in a more competitive Big East; Jones beat one ranked team his entire career (a 6-6 VaTech team)

The Big East is as down as its ever been and Jones record is just a little above mediocre.

GL Vols. But I do not believe Butch is the guy.

I love how things work around here. Brian Kelly wins in the Big East and its.........uh...uh...but the big east was good back then. This place never ceases to amaze me.
 
#75
#75
To all of the pissers and moaners on here. If you see a Notre Dame fan, and a legit one, not a bandwagon, do me a favor. Ask them how they felt when they hired the Head Coach at Cincinnati, and how it's working out for them.

The fanbase was split into about three camps: one that was enthusiastically supportive, one that was cautiously optimistic but with some concerns, and one that was vehemently opposed. Sounds familiar to a lot that I've read from Vol fans the last few days.

The cautiously optimistic group (of which I was one) were basically concerned about two areas. First was the quality of his assistants, since only three of them had major program experience. One of those was a holdover from Weis's staff, one was an assistant from Wisconsin, the third was a longtime Kelly assistant who had worked for Tyrone Willingham at ND and Washington (so this was considered a black mark against Kelly at the time). Four came with him from Cincinnati, one was the head coach at Grand Valley State, the other came from Kansas. The second concern was recruiting and whether he'd be able to recruit against major programs.

Here are some things I've learned from the previous years of ND misery.

1. I don't care where an assistant coach comes from because there are so many factors involved. I've seen guys who I thought were bums turn out to do fantastic jobs at other places after leaving ND, and I've seen guys who I thought would be outstanding at ND turn out to be bums. To give an example, current ND OL coach Harry Hiestand has done a great job this year with ND's OL and has recruited one of the best OL hauls ND has seen in many years but he was lucky to get out of Knoxville alive. The most roundly jeered guy that Kelly brought with him from Cincinnati just turned in the #1 scoring defense in the country and was named assistant coach of the year. Conversely, there were some assistants under Bob Davie that I thought were miserable but when they went to Florida with Urban Meyer they were lights out (Greg Mattison, Charlie Strong). The head coach makes the difference.

2. "Big time" coaching experience is overrated. If a guy can coach, he can coach. What's more important is whether or not the guy has been a head coach and what his track record is. Personally I thought Charlie Strong was a little too risky of a hire for UT because he only has three years of head coaching experience. He had a great year this year but coaching history is littered with guys who pulled out one great year and then reverted to their mean.

3. Recruiting is recruiting. The competition will be stiffer but I would say that Jones's record suggests that at the very least he was able to identify talent that allowed him to succeed at his previous two stops. Kelly's staff had very little experience recruiting against major football programs but his first two classes were ranked #9 and #20 by Rivals (the latter due to two or three very late defections). The current class is ranked #2. As with coaching, if a guy can recruit he can recruit.

Probably the major concern I'd have about Butch Jones is whether or not he can rebuild. He took over two programs at CMU and Cincinnati at which Kelly had already laid a foundation, but the positive sign is that Jones at least maintained what was already in place. He didn't backslide.

BTW, your athletic director failed miserably in the process. He never should have fired Dooley without already having someone ready (or nearly ready) to go, he never should have allowed the narrative to get out of his control, and he never should have allowed it to seem as if Jones was the fourth or fifth choice (even though he may have been). Allowing Gundy, Mora, and Strong to make a public rejection was outrageous. Whether or not the AD hired the right guy will be determined later on but he deserves a lot of scorn for the way he ran the search. If he wanted to see what not to do he should have looked at how ND ran the Bob Davie, George O'Leary, Tyrone Willingham, and Charlie Weis hires.
 
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