IL school cancels trip to AZ

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#52
So let's just clarify..

Pro-illegal immigration = open-minded

Securing the borders and trying to slow down illegal immigration = bigot.

Makes sense.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
where'd you get that from??? You're the one saying what the indians did was inhumane (remember your scalping comment) even though they were being physically attacked with superior weapons.

what the indians did was perfectly legit since it was a WAR and their land was being invaded. big difference now since most illegals aren't attacking us with weapons.
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But they took up arms with colonists after the initial peace was broken.

By your description of the events it is somewhat easy to say that because of armed conflicts on the border it could easily be classified as war and the immigrants could also be viewed as invaders since they are crossing the border with no permission or authority being given.

I'm not saying it is the same thing but isn't playing games like these fun?
 
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BearCat204 said:
If you dont think that there is a war with illegal aliens invading our land, your are oblivious to the situation. These immigrants have absolutely no rights here and they are coming here in droves. I call that an invasion.
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If an illegal or anybody for that matter comes into your town shooting up everybody (kind of like what the english did to the indians), than by all means fire back.

If the vast majority come peacefully (unlike what the english did. that land was theirs come hell or high water) than it is a vastly different situation and should be handled as such.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
If an illegal or anybody for that matter comes into your town shooting up everybody (kind of like what the english did to the indians), than by all means fire back.

If the vast majority come peacefully (unlike what the english did. that land was theirs come hell or high water) than it is a vastly different situation and should be handled as such.
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so once again. if the white people came here without weapons your argument is the native americans should ahve accepted them freely into their community and let them settle wherever they want?
 
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Cash Vallin said:
If an illegal or anybody for that matter comes into your town shooting up everybody (kind of like what the english did to the indians), than by all means fire back.

If the vast majority come peacefully (unlike what the english did. that land was theirs come hell or high water) than it is a vastly different situation and should be handled as such.
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If they conform to the rules and regulations of this country, I have no problem with people being offered citizenship. The problem is that a vast majority of them dont and therefore are a drain on this country's resources.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
doing it on the backs of legal hispanics, you're darn right is bigot
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Again, read the law. How are you coming to the conclusion that securing our borders and enforcing an already present immigration law is being done on the backs of illegal hispanics?
 
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BearCat204 said:
If they conform to the rules and regulations of this country, I have no problem with people being offered citizenship. The problem is that a vast majority of them dont and therefore are a drain on this country's resources.
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That's a fair point.

But comparing what the English did to the Indians and what illegal hispanics are doing now is quite a stretch.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Again, read the law. How are you coming to the conclusion that securing our borders and enforcing an already present immigration law is being done on the backs of illegal hispanics?
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because there has already been cases (based on federal law) where legal hispanics were brought to jail because police deemed their ID not to be enough when proving legal citizenship.

that's why.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
because there has already been cases (based on federal law) where legal hispanics were brought to jail because police deemed their ID not to be enough when proving legal citizenship.

that's why.
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Thats very insignificant as to make a claim that we are securing our borders on the backs of legal hispanics.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Thats very insignificant as to make a claim that we are securing our borders on the backs of legal hispanics.
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it's not, though. that's the whole point of it. those are just cases that are reported. you think the cops are calling the media to let them know they screwed up???? you think cops are ever going to think your ID isn't sufficient in proving your citizenship???

most time, as i've witnessed, when people are unjustly told to do something, they don't tell the media. they complain to friends and the rest of the world thinks everything is just fine.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
because there has already been cases (based on federal law) where legal hispanics were brought to jail because police deemed their ID not to be enough when proving legal citizenship.

that's why.
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even if we agree that in that case federal law was violated that doesn't mean the law shouldn't be enforced. by that same logic we shouldn't have any laws.
 
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droski said:
so once again. if the white people came here without weapons your argument is the native americans should ahve accepted them freely into their community and let them settle wherever they want?
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and give them benefits....:eek:k:
 
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Cash Vallin said:
because there has already been cases (based on federal law) where legal hispanics were brought to jail because police deemed their ID not to be enough when proving legal citizenship.

that's why.
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How many? How frequently does this occur?

How do these #'s relate to overall incidents of people being "wrongly" taken to jail?
 
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Noooooo, it means have the same standards for everybody. That's all it means.

When a legal hispanic is put in jail because a cop deems the ID not sufficient, there's a problem since no other group in this country will have the same burden of proof.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
it's not, though. that's the whole point of it. those are just cases that are reported. you think the cops are calling the media to let them know they screwed up???? you think cops are ever going to think your ID isn't sufficient in proving your citizenship???

most time, as i've witnessed, when people are unjustly told to do something, they don't tell the media. they complain to friends and the rest of the world thinks everything is just fine.
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I think that you are going a little overboard and assuming way too much.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I think that you are going a little overboard and assuming way too much.
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here's to guessing you've never seen profiling going on in your life. I have, on many cases, with my friends. For some reason, though, I've never been asked the same questions or been asked to do something extra by the same people who were asking my minority friends to do something.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
Noooooo, it means have the same standards for everybody. That's all it means.

When a legal hispanic is put in jail because a cop deems the ID not sufficient, there's a problem since no other group in this country will have the same burden of proof.
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You sure that you want the same standard for everyone?
 
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Cash Vallin said:
here's to guessing you've never seen profiling going on in your life. I have, on many cases, with my friends. For some reason, though, I've never been asked the same questions or been asked to do something extra by the same people who were asking my minority friends to do something.
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What exactly were they asking your minority friends to do?
 
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BearCat204 said:
You sure that you want the same standard for everyone?
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I'm all for the same standards for everybody when proving if a crime was broken or not. If Illegal immigration is such a problem, lets get rid of all of them and not just the hispanic ones.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
here's to guessing you've never seen profiling going on in your life. I have, on many cases, with my friends. For some reason, though, I've never been asked the same questions or been asked to do something extra by the same people who were asking my minority friends to do something.
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so since racial profiling happens on occasion we should what be a lawless society?
 
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