IL school cancels trip to AZ

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Cash Vallin said:
again to my point, if you had ever seen racial profiling, you wouldn't have the same mindset.
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Quite frankly, I think you are making up about 90% of your crackpot story. I have worked and have also lived with many legal hispanics over the course of my life and have never heard of such foolishness. I think you have been watching too many movies or you are just coming up with this crap on the run just to drive your failure of a point.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
Doesn't matter. There are some. And since illegal immigration is such a problem don't we need to get rid of all of them.

But, nope, that's not what's going to happen. Legal hispanics are and have had a higher burden of proof than any white guy that's pulled over. And you're ok with that.

Sad day to be an American. I thought we were moving away from Jim Crow. Instead, were heading right towards it again. Thanks republicans!
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Now you are really reaching! Trying to stir the ghosts of generations past by tying this to a completely different subject entirely. Need I remind you that Jim Crow law was all about racial stereotypes and prejudice and had nothing to do with an individuals legal status as in this case?
 
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Cash Vallin said:
did he ever deem that license not sufficient in proving who you actually were??? I doubt it.

Hispanics, however, have had that burden. There are plenty of examples out there and I've provided some. You just choose to ignore it and say it's isolated. I couldn't care less if it's isolated (which it isn't) it's unacceptable for one group of people in this country to have a higher burden of proof than others.
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once again. the law says that a drivers license is a valid form of indentification.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
We can start by rounding up all the caucasians, who were the first illegal immigrants in this land, and deporting them back to Europe.
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Yes, lets do that!! All 242 million +

All the French from Canada.

African Americans in North America, since the were illegally brought here by our illegal caucasian ancestors, even though no immigration laws were present then.

How about all the Mexicans from Mexico, since the are illegally in Mexico, due to the Spanish taking that country by force?

All the Portuguese, German, and such in South America.

All the Boers in South Africa, Congo, Rwanda.

English from Ireland.

Yes, I see your logic
 
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Cash Vallin said:
nope. walked right by without a word being said to me. and nobody else in the bar had their shirt tucked in either. just the one black guy.
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and how do you know that isn't coincidence? do you assume every black guy with a bad seat at a restuarant means they have a racist owner? because i have met people who jump to that conclusion.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Quite frankly, I think you are making up about 90% of your crackpot story. I have worked and have also lived with many legal hispanics over the course of my life and have never heard of such foolishness. I think you have been watching too many movies or you are just coming up with this crap on the run just to drive your failure of a point.
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and you'd be incorrect. but believe what you want. regardless of truth, you're going to think i'm lying. so no point in debating with you anymore.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
yes, the law as written, is fine. As practiced is just as important, though.
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so it's law enforcement you have a problem with. Other than what you've read or seen about Joe Arpaio, what do you know about AZ law enforcement officers?
 
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droski said:
and how do you know that isn't coincidence? do you assume every black guy with a bad seat at a restuarant means they have a racist owner? because i have met people who jump to that conclusion.
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that's one heck of a coincidence... everybody in a bar full of white folks has their shirts out, and the one black guy has to tuck in per "dresscode guidelines."

you're right, that could be a coincidence. I should have bought a lottery ticket that night because coincidences were just happening all over the place.

Come on man, don't be so naive.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
did he ever deem that license not sufficient in proving who you actually were??? I doubt it.

Hispanics, however, have had that burden. There are plenty of examples out there and I've provided some. You just choose to ignore it and say it's isolated. I couldn't care less if it's isolated (which it isn't) it's unacceptable for one group of people in this country to have a higher burden of proof than others.
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Let's face it the largest portion of the problem of cops not believing the legal status of an individual is largely to blame on the lack of our federal government securing the borders and curbing illegal immigration. The problem was further compounded by states (like ours) issuing state ID's in driver licenses to illegals. Now we have a state that is trying to address this huge issue the only way they know how and you have a problem with a few incidents were officers overstepped their bounds in disbelieving the validity of an ID in proving legal status. If anything laws like the one proposed in Arizona would clear up these issues because they would be working from a database and not guessing on legal status from the limited info on an ID.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
and you'd be incorrect. but believe what you want. regardless of truth, you're going to think i'm lying. so no point in debating with you anymore.
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I was thinking the same exact thing. All you have brought into this two week discussion is your gut feelings and your "personal experience" while at the same time telling anyone who disagrees with you, that they just must not have been around enough. I know that there are cases of "racial" profiling, but this does not apply in the case of the AZ immigration law. The one example that you gave is one out of a million(for arguments sake) instance.
 
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MG1968 said:
so it's law enforcement you have a problem with. Other than what you've read or seen about Joe Arpaio, what do you know about AZ law enforcement officers?
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little to nothing. as do you. i just know from personal experiences that as written and as practiced tend to be two totally different things.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
that's one heck of a coincidence... everybody in a bar full of white folks has their shirts out, and the one black guy has to tuck in per "dresscode guidelines."

you're right, that could be a coincidence. I should have bought a lottery ticket that night because coincidences were just happening all over the place.

Come on man, don't be so naive.
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how do you know he didn't ask other people to tuck in their shirt and then they untucked them when inside? sounds like you are the one being naive. and are you really arguing that tucking in your shirt is a violation of your rights?
 
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Cash Vallin said:
that's one heck of a coincidence... everybody in a bar full of white folks has their shirts out, and the one black guy has to tuck in per "dresscode guidelines."

you're right, that could be a coincidence. I should have bought a lottery ticket that night because coincidences were just happening all over the place.

Come on man, don't be so naive.
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In this said club, was it run by the local Sheriffs office? I am just wondering who instructed your friend to tuck in his shirt? Every bar/club I have ever been to across the US has private security and doormen, not local police or sheriffs office.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
little to nothing. as do you. i just know from personal experiences that as written and as practiced tend to be two totally different things.
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so what things did the cops accuse your minority friends of? and do you suggest we stop prosecuting people for those crimes as well?
 
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droski said:
how do you know he didn't ask other people to tuck in their shirt and then they untucked them when inside? sounds like you are the one being naive. and are you really arguing that tucking in your shirt is a violation of your rights?
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good point... why didn't the same guy ask me to tuck in my shirt even though me and my friend walked in at the same time. how come he didn't ask anybody else as they walked through the door to tuck in their shirt??? (trust me, i was watching after this)

yep, i'm the one being naive. you keep coming up with random excuses. i'll stick with what actually happened.

and YET again, this is just one example. I provided others. You chose to debate this one.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
but you have no problem with legal hispanics having a higher burden of proof??? Yes, that is a form of bigotry.
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If a terrorist is stopped from killing hundreds of people because they were singled out, oh well. As far as illegals, they have to have probable cause to be pulled over (i.e. speeding). The law stated they can't profile. Yet that's still not good enough. No law is perfect, but to not enforce them because you think some people will have to have a higher burden of proof isn't just wrong, it's ridiculous.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
good point... why didn't the same guy ask me to tuck in my shirt even though me and my friend walked in at the same time. how come he didn't ask anybody else as they walked through the door to tuck in their shirt??? (trust me, i was watching after this)yep, i'm the one being naive. you keep coming up with random excuses. i'll stick with what actually happened.

and YET again, this is just one example. I provided others. You chose to debate this one.
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always on the lookout for racism huh? not surprising
 
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droski said:
always on the lookout for racism huh? not surprising
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Did you hear about some people following cops aroind in AZ to make sure they don't harass any Hispanics? They have a notepad and camera. I wonder of Cash is one of them. :)

I kid Cash.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Did you hear about some people following cops aroind in AZ to make sure they don't harass any Hispanics? They have a notepad and camera. I wonder of Cash is one of them. :)

I kid Cash.
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I dont have a problem with this. If there is legit harassment, then it should be stopped.
 
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droski said:
always on the lookout for racism huh? not surprising
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yeah, we were really looking for racism as we walked in the bar... you better believe after an event happens your guard is higher.

that goes for any situation and not just racism.
 
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