I'll ask: The pink elephant in the room.....

This article by a former Bush administration official, now commentator for CNN, sums it up nicely, I think:

Now, stop questioning Obama's legitimacy - CNN.com


From the article:

The success of the bin Laden operation is a great moment for the United States -- and not only for the United States.


But it is also a deservedly bad moment for some of the destructive forces in American public life, for those who have substituted for ordinary politics a sustained campaign to brand Obama as an outsider, as un-American, as non-American.


Those of us who oppose this administration's economic and foreign policies have had so many valid points to make.


Yet some have insisted on traveling beyond those valid points. They have called the president "post American." A "Third-world dictator." An individual whose behavior could only be interpreted as "Kenyan post-colonial." A "thug in chief."


They have tried to present U.S. politics not as a choice between liberal and conservative but as a choice between American and non-American, between real Americans and between a dangerous dark-skinned intruder. They have sought to portray the president as a man who could not be trusted to lead the country because he owed no loyalty to the country, because he did not belong in the country.
After the events of the past 72 hours, those kinds of attacks should be finished now. It's a cleaner world without bin Laden soiling it. And American politics will be cleaner for the expunging of the malicious fantasy of the president's non-Americanness.
 
This article by a former Bush administration official, now commentator for CNN, sums it up nicely, I think:

Now, stop questioning Obama's legitimacy - CNN.com


From the article:

The success of the bin Laden operation is a great moment for the United States -- and not only for the United States.


But it is also a deservedly bad moment for some of the destructive forces in American public life, for those who have substituted for ordinary politics a sustained campaign to brand Obama as an outsider, as un-American, as non-American.


Those of us who oppose this administration's economic and foreign policies have had so many valid points to make.


Yet some have insisted on traveling beyond those valid points. They have called the president "post American." A "Third-world dictator." An individual whose behavior could only be interpreted as "Kenyan post-colonial." A "thug in chief."


They have tried to present U.S. politics not as a choice between liberal and conservative but as a choice between American and non-American, between real Americans and between a dangerous dark-skinned intruder. They have sought to portray the president as a man who could not be trusted to lead the country because he owed no loyalty to the country, because he did not belong in the country.
After the events of the past 72 hours, those kinds of attacks should be finished now. It's a cleaner world without bin Laden soiling it. And American politics will be cleaner for the expunging of the malicious fantasy of the president's non-Americanness.

Agree in premise but honestly Bush was subjected to as bad or worse. That doesn't justify it but Obama defenders act like his is a special case.
 
Agree in premise but honestly Bush was subjected to as bad or worse. That doesn't justify it but Obama defenders act like his is a special case.


I don't think anyone seriously questioned Bush's patriotism and certainly not his resolve in dealing with Muslim terrorists.
 
link me where you posted anything even remotely similar about obama:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/politics/31543-george-w-bush-whats-your-opinion.html

I am a consevative democrat but I truly believe Gore or Kerry would have never been this bad. Republicans always say " if you elect this democrat, wait and see how bad everything gets" It gets no worse than right now. Don't give me the ecomony crap either. Bush is by far the most incompetent president we have ever had. I didnt' say worst. I said incompetent. He has run the most secretive White House ever. He isn't even close to being worthy of his arrogance. Most arrogant leaders are at least competent. Bush isn't. His press conferences are a joke and even worse, terribly embarrassing to himself, his family and most importantly, the country. His reasoning on Iraq has changed too many times all the while he still insist on "staying the course". it is truly an embarrasssment to have had a man like W as president of the United States. Everyone running on both sides of the aisle are more competent than him. Whoever we get in '08, republican or democrat, will be better than who we have had the last 8 years



Well done Droski.
This is where Don Meredith would start singing
"Turn out the lights, the party's over"
 
I don't think anyone seriously questioned Bush's patriotism and certainly not his resolve in dealing with Muslim terrorists.

no, but a major news organization did use fraudulent documents that made Bush appear to be AWOL from the Texas ANG and others have allowed the assertion that "Bush was in a war against Islam" and is a "war criminal" go unchallenged.
 
were they oppressed by the government as a matter of policy or were they oppressed by douchebag white people who no more represent all white people than Osama represented all Muslims?

Moreso by certain organizations that continued to practice discrimination
 
Well done Droski.
This is where Don Meredith would start singing
"Turn out the lights, the party's over"

I don't understand. What party is over? I didn't like W and don't like Obama. Is isn't my fault we've had shi**Y choices. Well, maybe it is to some degree. I suppose I could have been more involved in party political activities as many of us could have, but we all kind of fit in the same boat. We all think one person can't make a difference, when in effect, we actually could make a difference if we all got more involved.

How's that for a load :glare:
 
Moreso by certain organizations that continued to practice discrimination

ahh, "certain organizations"

sunshine is the best disinfectant, if you have information on people's civil rights being violated, you shouldn't keep it a secret
 
I don't think anyone seriously questioned Bush's patriotism and certainly not his resolve in dealing with Muslim terrorists.

BS they questioned everything about him - even suggested he planned 9/11; if that's not questioning patriotism then I don't know what is.

It's not right in either case but Obama supporters whining about it rings pretty hollow IMHO.
 
ahh, "certain organizations"

sunshine is the best disinfectant, if you have information on people's civil rights being violated, you shouldn't keep it a secret

Yes, certain organizations. Many clubs are private and have continued to discrminate well into this century. Especially true of country clubs up until a few years ago. There's no law that prevents it, but it still goes on. I am pretty sure I posted this in the past, but I sponsored an African American friend of mine for a club membership many years ago. He was going to get the requisite votes to get in, yet got phone calls from a few bigoted members. It was a day in which I broke a few friendships due to some deep rooted hate
 
No, it hasn't been that long in the grand scheme. I know many African Americans who were oppressed and treated like second class citizens. It didn't end in 1964

were they oppressed by the government as a matter of policy or were they oppressed by douchebag white people who no more represent all white people than Osama represented all Muslims?

Moreso by certain organizations that continued to practice discrimination

ahh, "certain organizations"

sunshine is the best disinfectant, if you have information on people's civil rights being violated, you shouldn't keep it a secret

Yes, certain organizations. Many clubs are private and have continued to discrminate well into this century. Especially true of country clubs up until a few years ago. There's no law that prevents it, but it still goes on. I am pretty sure I posted this in the past, but I sponsored an African American friend of mine for a club membership many years ago. He was going to get the requisite votes to get in, yet got phone calls from a few bigoted members. It was a day in which I broke a few friendships due to some deep rooted hate

so, are you still a member of these country clubs or did you just break off a few friendships?
 
so, are you still a member of these country clubs or did you just break off a few friendships?

Yes, and I want to be honest. I didn't resign as a result of few ignorant idiots. I play golf and can associate with anyone I choose at my clubs. That being said, both have accepted multiple AA families in the last few years.

My original point, which was 100% accurate, was that many organizations continued to practice discrimination well into this century. Someone posted that type of activity had gone away a long time ago.

This forum is a trip. People will argue regardless of how inaccurate their position is on any issue. Just for the sake of argument. This forum is also a prime example of why there is still so much divisiveness in this country.

So what was your point and position?
 
i can't speak for tenn, but most tradionally waspy clubs in LA go WAY out of their way to admit non white applicants these days. doesn't mean everyone likes it obviously.
 
I don't understand. What party is over? I didn't like W and don't like Obama. Is isn't my fault we've had shi**Y choices. Well, maybe it is to some degree. I suppose I could have been more involved in party political activities as many of us could have, but we all kind of fit in the same boat. We all think one person can't make a difference, when in effect, we actually could make a difference if we all got more involved.

How's that for a load :glare:

You must be to young to remember Dandy Don Meridith on Monday Night Football.
 
my point was that when I asked if the discrimination your friends faced was due to governmental policy or douchebag white people, your answer was to say "certain institutions". It turns out that those institutions were country clubs and that the discrimination was the result of a few bigots. Fair enough, but a few rich white guys not wanting to play golf with a black guy at a private club is a far cry from what 1964 was all about.
 
i can't speak for tenn, but most tradionally waspy clubs in LA go WAY out of their way to admit non white applicants these days. doesn't mean everyone likes it obviously.

Yeah, same thing here. It's like everyone went from "we can choose anyone we want" to "everyone is welcome". Probably a little slower to change here in the South than in California
 
my point was that when I asked if the discrimination your friends faced was due to governmental policy or douchebag white people, your answer was to say "certain institutions". It turns out that those institutions were country clubs and that the discrimination was the result of a few bigots. Fair enough, but a few rich white guys not wanting to play golf with a black guy at a private club is a far cry from what 1964 was all about.

It's not a far cry. It's one in the same. No different than segregated schools or separate water fountains and bathrooms. Just because it can be judicated, doesn't mean it isn't the same type of discrimination. It is exactly the same type of discrimination, only worse. It could be practiced legally. It was "you're not the proper skin color" to receive benefit a white person was receiving. A few rich guys??? LOL.
 
No, not too young. Old enough to remember the first broadcast. Just didn't see the correlation others were making

It's simple.
You made the following statement:

You should move on. you won't find any Bush hating posts from me.

Droski pulled up one of your earlier post were you were hammering Bush pretty hard.
He proved you had been making Bush hating post ...
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It's not a far cry. It's one in the same. No different than segregated schools or separate water fountains and bathrooms. Just because it can be judicated, doesn't mean it isn't the same type of discrimination. It is exactly the same type of discrimination, only worse. It could be practiced legally. It was "you're not the proper skin color" to receive benefit a white person was receiving. A few rich guys??? LOL.

why are you complaining to us about YOUR Country Club. Nobody cares, and it makes you look stupid because you are paying dues to a club that you claim promotes discrimination
 
For those crediting Obama for authorizing a kill shot, imo that was likely the intended outcome all along. Take a moment and play out the most likely scenario if Osama had been taken alive...

  • Lots of protests from the muslim world as Osama is now front and center in the PR spotlight.
  • And most likely, numerous captives by Al Quaeda of US journalists, tourists, soldiers, etc. all to be bargained with as a trade for the release of Osama. When the US denies his release, the captives are beheaded or worse with everything captured on film. This would likely continue for some time putting everyone on alert and at much more risk than any anticipated retaliation for Osama's death.
Personally, I don't believe "capture as a prisoner of war" was ever an option.
 
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For those crediting Obama for authorizing a kill shot, imo that was likely the intended outcome all along. Take a moment and play out the most likely scenario if Obama had been taken alive...

  • Lots of protests from the muslim world as Obama is now front and center in the PR spotlight.
  • And most likely, numerous captives by Al Quaeda of US journalists, tourists, soldiers, etc. all to be bargained with as a trade for the release of Obama. When the US denies his release, the captives are beheaded or worse with everything captured on film. This would likely continue for some time putting everyone on alert and at much more risk than any anticipated retaliation for Obama's death.
Personally, I don't believe "capture as a prisoner of war" was ever an option.

You might want to just start referring to him as "bin Laden".
 

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