Illegal drugs or prescription drugs: Which is the bigger menace to the US of A?

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It comes down to the individual. If the doctors dont prescribe it the abusers will still find it. What is troublesome is the lack of stigma attached with pill addiction and usage like being a pill junkie is somehow better than a heroin/meth junkie.
 
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tim said:
It comes down to the individual. If the doctors dont prescribe it the abusers will still find it. What is troublesome is the lack of stigma attached with pill addiction and usage like being a pill junkie is somehow better than a heroin/meth junkie.
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I don't think that's true of pharmaceuticals. You can't cook them up, you can't make them in a grow-op. Prescription rates and abuse rates are inextricably linked.
 
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milohimself said:
I don't think that's true of pharmaceuticals. You can't cook them up, you can't make them in a grow-op. Prescription rates and abuse rates are inextricably linked.
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Disagree. The average person cant whip up heroin or cocaine either and as for mj I really dont count it because I dont think users are addicted. Prescription drug addicts do not necessarily get their drugs from a doctor.
 
#30
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tim said:
Disagree. The average person cant whip up heroin or cocaine either and as for mj I really dont count it because I dont think users are addicted. Prescription drug addicts do not necessarily get their drugs from a doctor.
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Rx drug addicts get their drugs from other people who get it from a doctor.

Cocaine and heroin aren't whipped up here, but they are whipped up just across the border and in South America. Again, not the case with Rx drugs.

If Rx drugs decrease from doctors' pads, then their availability goes down both legally and in the black market, because there aren't any other sources like there are with street drugs.
 
#31
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I read the other day about people not getting able to get their ADHD medicine because it's running low due to abuse.

I found this nice pic searching quaaludes.

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milohimself said:
Rx drug addicts get their drugs from other people who get it from a doctor.

Cocaine and heroin aren't whipped up here, but they are whipped up just across the border and in South America. Again, not the case with Rx drugs.

If Rx drugs decrease from doctors' pads, then their availability goes down both legally and in the black market, because there aren't any other sources like there are with street drugs.
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Rx drugs come across our borders also. The cartels dont miss a chance to make a buck. Local interdiction team just made a stop with over 20k Lortab, none were prescribed.
 
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tim said:
Rx drugs come across our borders also. The cartels dont miss a chance to make a buck. Local interdiction team just made a stop with over 20k Lortab, none were prescribed.
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Still not nearly on the same level as cocaine or heroin.
 
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Not saying it would eliminate abuse or that black market levels would drop, but the supply methods just aren't the same as they are with street drugs.
 
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milohimself said:
Not saying it would eliminate abuse or that black market levels would drop, but the supply methods just aren't the same as they are with street drugs.
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Dilaudid, oxy, roxy, hydros, xanax are very accessible on the streets. I started buying dilaudid by the hundreds from drug dealers in the 90's. They were getting them from Detroit by the garbage bag. Rx prescriptions are partially to blame, especially since the "pain clinic caravans", but there is a significant black market.
 
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tim said:
Dilaudid, oxy, roxy, hydros, xanax are very accessible on the streets. I started buying dilaudid by the hundreds from drug dealers in the 90's. They were getting them from Detroit by the garbage bag. Rx prescriptions are partially to blame, especially since the "pain clinic caravans", but there is a significant black market.
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... And what I'm saying is the vast majority of that black market supply is provided by prescription. I can go to a legit doctor right now, complain about back pain and get a prescription worth hundreds of dollars to some friends who want to buy a few.

If doctors started prescribing less, the level of black market supply just wouldn't pick up the slack without missing a beat like it does with street drugs.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Medicare mills. Most are pain clinics. I'm in the medical business and most pain clinics and doctors are quacks. I put together a presentation a few years ago that would give them the ability to stop filling so many scripts with pills and give patients other avenues to try and get better. Their head pharmacist chimed in quickly and said, "why would we want to do that?". I left soon thereafter. Their existence is having the same patients come in to have the same procedures, get the same tests, and get the same meds monthly. Then they bill the government a fee that is coded for reimbursement for each item. They were buying $50 TENS units, prescribing for every patient, and getting @ $500 back for each one, not including pills scripted, tests, etc.
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???
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation. Basically a little battery operated pos that sends electrical stimulation to muscles and nerves through the skin.
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Fat asses put them on their belly thinking that they will get a six pack while they sit in the couch drinking a six pack.
 
#42
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My wife recently had minor dental work. Dentist gave her a scrip for 30 oxycontin. She told him it wasn't necessary, she wouldn't take them. He insisted and told her she may need then later.
 
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bamacheats said:
Fat asses put them on their belly thinking that they will get a six pack while they sit in the couch drinking a six pack.
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Ha. I bought one of those ab shaper electric things eons ago. We'd get drunk and put them on various body parts at a high charge.
 
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bamacheats said:
My wife recently had minor dental work. Dentist gave her a scrip for 30 oxycontin. She told him it wasn't necessary, she wouldn't take them. He insisted and told her she may need then later.
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Same thing happened to me a few years ago. I paid that dental bill (and then some) by selling that scrip to classmates.

My doctor was acting like a pusher. Wouldn't take no for an answer.
 
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I went through miniature drug addiction last year. My wife was in the hospital for 15 straight days and to entertain myself I started popping her pain-killers (she didn't need them, she had morphine). By like day 5 I was popping more than half a dozen (they were oxys and percs) a day. I decided this was not wise, and this is how addiction sneaks up on people. I didn't take any day 6 or 7, and I had the worst headaches. It was crazy.

She had everything during that period, including syrup, which was awesome (and I abused it much more responsibly).
 
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nbakerld said:
I went through miniature drug addiction last year. My wife was in the hospital for 15 straight days and to entertain myself I started popping her pain-killers (she didn't need them, she had morphine). By like day 5 I was popping more than half a dozen (they were oxys and percs) a day. I decided this was not wise, and this is how addiction sneaks up on people. I didn't take any day 6 or 7, and I had the worst headaches. It was crazy.

She had everything during that period, including syrup, which was awesome (and I abused it much more responsibly).
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cool story, bro
 
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