I'm embarassed for us all.

[Domestic Silence]

Who would please you and would win immediately, unite the fanbase, and get top recruits right away? Wait...dont answer. John Gruden i know. I hope peyton and haslam can sway him but if they can't what do you suppose we do? We could try stomping our feet and kicking and screaming i guess. Or we could move on and get the best man that will take this damn job and produce a physical team that can play some damn D.

I'm not the AD, I can't make that decision. But I can say this, if he wants to settle for Charlie Strong, it's his call. I can tell you he'll be looking for a job too if it doesn't work out.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Either wrong salesman or wrong product we will find out soon i expect. We have manning and haslam selling. Thats arguably the best QB to live and a billionaire. Sounds like big guns to me.

Ford sold over a million cars that literally exploded with minimal impact years ago.

I still can't explain the pet rock.

Someone just sold the Cleveland Browns for a Billion dollars.

It can happen, and I'm not saying Gruden is the only answer. I'm just saying that Strong is the easy answer with minimal upside, ANYONE at UT can make that hire. Mike Hamilton just made that hire 3 years ago and now he is working non-profit.

There are great coaches all over the country, and most of them have jobs. Are you the one that can make the sale, or do we find your replacement in 4 years?

 

[Volingatorland]

Low ball hires have us where we are now.

Shoot big, not for mediocrity.

Thinking and acting like a loser will get you absolutely that, 100% of the time.

ONE low ball hire. Kiffin was not a lowball IMO, he just did us really, really dirty. and he is the reason the program is in it's current condition.

 

[Domestic Silence]

ONE low ball hire. Kiffin was not a lowball IMO, he just did us really, really dirty. and he is the reason the program is in it's current condition.

Agreed.

I don't even look at it as dirty, just bad luck on our part really. If it were you and you were at SC and UT offered you, you would come home. We all would.

But I agree that the situation (and the way our moronic AD responded) hurt badly to where we are now.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

I can't speak for him, but I hope I do have to eat crow. I'll literally film myself eating a damn crow and post it on here for all to see, that is if Strong turns us in to a powerhouse.

But if he comes here and we win 8 games a year and waste 4 years and 13 mil doing it, it's going to hurt us BADLY moving forward. His upside isn't enough for the risk.

And how long has it been since UT has won 8 games in a year? 8 wins in a year would be a great improvement considering the garbage UT has had to deal with the last 5 or 6 years.

 

[Domestic Silence]

And how long has it been since UT has won 8 games in a year? 8 wins in a year would be a great improvement considering the garbage UT has had to deal with the last 5 or 6 years.

Do we really want to invest in a new coach and staff for 8 wins a year?

I'm telling you, it's the Mike Hamilton effect. I said this three years ago....he truly downgraded how great this University is and can be with his mediocrity. I'll give Hart the opportunity, but I'll tell you this, bring in an AD like Jeremy Foley, that loser mentality goes out the window.

 

[MothershipChip]

So... if Strong really has turned us down where does that put everything?

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

ONE low ball hire. Kiffin was not a lowball IMO, he just did us really, really dirty. and he is the reason the program is in it's current condition.

Don't act like Kiffin is a good coach because he is not. He took a Southern Cal team this year that had national championship caliber talent and took them to the Sun Bowl....impressive.

 

[newyorkvol]

So... if Strong really has turned us down where does that put everything?

Either the crapper, or the Gruden threads.

 

[volzfanz]

Strong is no homerun, but he is nothing like dooley either. Dooley was something in a category all his own.

 

[Domestic Silence]

So... if Strong really has turned us down where does that put everything?

No one really knows.

 

[Volingatorland]

Don't act like Kiffin is a good coach because he is not. He took a Southern Cal team this year that had national championship caliber talent and took them to the Sun Bowl....impressive.

Not saying he's a good coach. I'm saying he wasn't a low ball. He was a coach that the majority of the fanbase wanted, and he had us pumped. No his ability didn't pan out at USC, but the man could coach circles around Dooley on any given day.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Strong is no homerun, but he is nothing like dooley either. Dooley was something in a category all his own.

What's the difference?

Minimal HC experience.

Worked under a great staff, but for HC's who are doing just fine without them.

"Recruiting coordinator" (Although some might say Saban and Meyer were the reason).

See what I'm saying?

I could just as easily say that Steve Addazio was more important to Florida than Strong. I sure as hell don't want Addazio.

 

[volzfanz]

Ford sold over a million cars that literally exploded with minimal impact years ago.

I still can't explain the pet rock.

Someone just sold the Cleveland Browns for a Billion dollars.

It can happen, and I'm not saying Gruden is the only answer. I'm just saying that Strong is the easy answer with minimal upside, ANYONE at UT can make that hire. Mike Hamilton just made that hire 3 years ago and now he is working non-profit.

There are great coaches all over the country, and most of them have jobs. Are you the one that can make the sale, or do we find your replacement in 4 years?

Yeah and chevrolet neede a bail-out.
Pet rocks became gravel driveways.
And the browns are supposed to be our ace in the hole to land gruden.
We looked to gruden, stoops, patterson, peterson and every other idiotic proposal out there. If i had to guess, we prob offered to make each of them the highest paid coach in cfb and they said no thanks. Go figure.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Yeah and chevrolet neede a bail-out.
Pet rocks became gravel driveways.
And the browns are supposed to be our ace in the hole to land gruden.
We looked to gruden, stoops, patterson, peterson and every other idiotic proposal out there. If i had to guess, we prob offered to make each of them the highest paid coach in cfb and they said no thanks. Go figure.

You missed the point. Someone made those sales, no matter how "impossible" they appeared to be.

I don't know what our AD did/didn't do, but all I can say is that he had better get it right, there is a very thin margin of error right now.

 

[volzfanz]

What's the difference?

Minimal HC experience.

Worked under a great staff, but for HC's who are doing just fine without them.

"Recruiting coordinator" (Although some might say Saban and Meyer were the reason).

See what I'm saying?

I could just as easily say that Steve Addazio was more important to Florida than Strong. I sure as hell don't want Addazio.

No one with a brain thinks strong is why uf or bama recruited well. It was the program and HC of course. But he is HC of the big east champs going to a bcs bowl game in his 3rd year. Has had top 25 def past 3 yrs......albeit at louisville against inferior teams. Dooley has losing record at La Tech if i remember correctly. There are big differences. Im not ecstatic over strong either but gotta get real sometime about who we can get.

 

[volzfanz]

You missed the point. Someone made those sales, no matter how bad they seemed to be.

I don't know what our AD did/didn't do, but all I can say is that he had better get it right, there is a very thin margin of error right now.

I agree he better. This is as crucial a hire as we have ever had. This determines our place in the SEC pecking order for yrs to come. But my point of this thread is we are not the dream destination we used to be. I agree, strong is unproven as HC. He is from weak conf. He sure isn't a big name. But thats where we are. Thats not settling, thats being honest.

 

[Domestic Silence]

No one with a brain thinks strong is why uf or bama recruited well. It was the program and HC of course. But he is HC of the big east champs going to a bcs bowl game in his 3rd year. Has had top 25 def past 3 yrs......albeit at louisville against inferior teams. Dooley has losing record at La Tech if i remember correctly. There are big differences. Im not ecstatic over strong either but gotta get real sometime about who we can get.

Northern Illinois is going to a BCS bowl. Should we look at their coach too? Hell, he even has a better opportunity to win his.

Dooley took LA Tech to their only ever bowl game. He was lauded as the greatest coach (and AD) they've ever seen.

Again, I have nothing against Strong, but if that's the best hire he can do, he probably shouldn't be in this position. Hart's secretary could have made this hire a week ago. An AD-less UT could have saved Hart's salary and made this hire, spent it on a top notch DC/OC to help out.

 

[Catbone]

No one really knows.

It further proved UT is an undesirable job

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Low ball hires have us where we are now.

Shoot big, not for mediocrity.

Thinking and acting like a loser will get you absolutely that, 100% of the time.

Have you ever heard

Hope for the best, but expect the worse.

your expectations are set so high no one can even hope to meet them. Which is fine and even good you should set high expectations.

The problem comes when you expect them to reach your expectations. Go take any team you like in any sport from pop warner to the pro's and try and win a championship. Only one team can win it per year and every team is giving their all to win it.

Every team has there ups and downs. I remember loosing to bama for years and I remember when we broke their streak. Then we owned Alabama up until the last few years.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Have you ever heard

Hope for the best, but expect the worse.

your expectations are set so high no one can even hope to meet them. Which is fine and even good you should set high expectations.

The problem comes when you expect them to reach your expectations. Go take any team you like in any sport from pop warner to the pro's and try and win a championship. Only one team can win it per year and every team is giving their all to win it.

Every team has there ups and downs. I remember loosing to bama for years and I remember when we broke their streak. Then we owned Alabama up until the last few years.

Winners expect to win, period. Call it cliche, but when you won't accept mediocrity and "lets settle because this is where we are perceived to be", amazing things can happen.

Looking at this as a salesman, Strong would be the absolute last option. He's already in the bag from the beginning. Hiring him means you have failed as a true salesman. I seriously hope we didn't hire Dave Hart to be this kind of AD, we just fired this kind of AD.

 

[volzfanz]

Words of wisdom from an old guy like me. If you find yourself asking "Is the whole world crazy? Or is it me?" .......its probably you. We cant understand why nobody wants this job. Sure its our dream job. We are volzfanz. But it aint everyone elses.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Words of wisdom from an old guy like me. If you find yourself asking "Is the whole world crazy? Or is it me?" .......its probably you. We cant understand why nobody wants this job. Sure its our dream job. We are volzfanz. But it aint everyone elses.

People thought Bill Gates was crazy.

People thought Steve Jobs was crazy.

Nick Saban thought Mal Moore was crazy.

 

[volzfanz]

Northern Illinois is going to a BCS bowl. Should we look at their coach too? Hell, he even has a better opportunity to win his.

Dooley took LA Tech to their only ever bowl game. He was lauded as the greatest coach (and AD) they've ever seen.

Again, I have nothing against Strong, but if that's the best hire he can do, he probably shouldn't be in this position. Hart's secretary could have made this hire a week ago. An AD-less UT could have saved Hart's salary and made this hire, spent it on a top notch DC/OC to help out.

This hire aint made yet. Thats exactly my point. After fulmer we could pick any coach we wanted. Any college guy and most nfl guys, but we dont have that allure now. The fact that strong didnt say hell yeah im going to knoxville is exactly the point of this thread. Where we were isnt where we are now.

 

[Domestic Silence]

Winners expect to win, there is no other option. Losing is not a freaking option. I promise you, if you wake up every morning with this mentality and carry it to whatever it is you do, you will understand what I'm saying. Truly breathe it and watch.

The Mike Hamilton effect has turned this place in to the Walking Dead!