I'm making my third attempt..

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Behr said:
Maybe I'm missing something here.

I'm not "pushing" AA on anyone. I'm just confused by people that disagree with AA but suggest they "find" or get to know God better.
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I got ya now. You don't have to go to AA to find God. AA and God are not mutually exclusive thing
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
This is the way I am from a lot of time spent in a high stress military unit. I have seen all kinds of ugly things happen at all hours where am/pm mean nothing. Cold turkey does not work for me. Regulating the flow does. I intentionally make private mental contracts. I know others may disagree but it works for me. I don't believe I am powerless. I have a mentality of fighting akin to when you run or workout and you feel like you cant make it 5 for minutes but somehow you do. After 3 to 4 days, I allow myself to indulge within reason. I set my mind up to take pride in winning a battle of an ongoing war. During the 3 to 4 days, I will intentionally go to a bar and drink diet coke just to prove it to myself. Being a fighting SOB works for me, even if it is with myself.
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Hell yeah! And thank you for your service
 
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Obsessed said:
I got ya now. You don't have to go to AA to find God. AA and God are not mutually exclusive thing
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No, nevermind.


Good luck Cyclops, hope it works out for you. If nothing you try is working, try reading the blue book "Alcoholics Anonymous"...at least the first 20 pages. It will at least give you an idea on how bad your addiction might be.
 
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Behr said:
No, nevermind.


Good luck Cyclops, hope it works out for you. If nothing you try is working, try reading the blue book "Alcoholics Anonymous"...at least the first 20 pages. It will at least give you an idea on how bad your addiction might be.
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What are you confused about?

AA doesn't work for everybody.
 
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Some good advice in this thread. I'll echo what some others have posted above. My father is an alcoholic and I observed this my whole life while growing up. He has now been "mostly sober" for 15 years or better. AA did not work for him because it made him feel uncomfortable. Note: this is not a negative comment about AA, but more so just a reflection of how my father relates to others. If he isn't comfortable being around someone, then that "discomfort" actually leads him to want another drink in order to be comfortable.

What I've mainly learned from observing my father, and having this discussion with him, is that many alcoholics drink because of "discomfort" or "depression" or whatever word you may want to insert. The numbness provided by the alcohol eases those unwanted feelings. When my father finally learned to address those feelings and understand what caused them, his desire for alcohol diminished to a very large extent... no more than wanting a cold glass of iced tea on a hot summer's day.

So my advice is to follow the process that works best for you relative to cutting back or quitting cold turkey, but also try to understand what it is that is driving the desire to drink. Until you do that, the desire will likely remain so you will always need something to take the place of the "numbness" the alcohol provides. It's no different than taking aspirin... the pain temporarily goes away, but if there's something causing it then it will keep coming back. AA, working out, etc. all help to address the symptom, but you really need to address the cause.
 
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I have no words of wisdom, I just want to wish you the best. Good luck.
 
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Behr said:
I didn't say it did.
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Your question (the way I understood it)

Was why do people say look to God for guidance, yet is this not the same thing the AA groups advocate?

I'm just trying to understand your point and/or question behr is all. Not trying to argue.
 
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Obsessed said:
Your question (the way I understood it)

Was why do people say look to God for guidance, yet is this not the same thing the AA groups advocate?

I'm just trying to understand your point and/or question behr is all. Not trying to argue.
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Not trying to argue either.

I have a friend that went through the AA program 2 years ago. Last year I read his big AA book and was surprised that it was as "spiritual" as it was.

I didn't have an "agenda" except to find out if Slice had been through AA and if he had, why did he seem negative about it. (To be fair, I was asking him a question when you got involved).

Twas just trying to learn sumpin.
 
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I've been fortunate enough to be able to go cold turkey when alcohol caused problems in my life. I still drink a little but it's under control. My best friend never could control his drinking. Would have a beer for breakfast for a starter. He lost his battle about a month ago.

Good luck Cyclops, and I think a good place to start would be AA. I have seen it work.

Edit : not trying to get into the AA argument. Lots of things work, AA is just one of them. None are easy.
 
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It isn't the same, but I used to drink coke and fizzy drinks all the time. I decided to give them up and drink only water and tea.

You just have to be disciplined, every time you fancy alcohol drink water, it fills you up and makes you feel better in the long run.

After the first week it became a habit, I now don't crave and very rarely drink fizzy stuff.

Best of luck.
 
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Behr said:
Not trying to argue either.

I have a friend that went through the AA program 2 years ago. Last year I read his big AA book and was surprised that it was as "spiritual" as it was.

I didn't have an "agenda" except to find out if Slice had been through AA and if he had, why did he seem negative about it. (To be fair, I was asking him a question when you got involved).

Twas just trying to learn sumpin.
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My personal experience was not good. I know people who did well working the program. It just wasn't for me. I do tend to be negative about AA but would be less than honest if I didn't admitt the good it has done for a lot of people.
 
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You want to quit drinking?

But you also don't want to quit?

Otherwise you could easily quit.

What you have to realize...is there are two of you.

One "eye" that wants to quit and and the other "eye" that wants to drink like a fish.

You have to chose one eye or the other to see through. The other eye will always be there but you have to keep it closed. You are choosing to see thru the drunken eye.

The longer you keep it closed the blinder it will become...but it will always want to open back up and become dominate.

Remember you have a brain between those two eyes and it is you.

It really is easy you just have to close that evil eye and and recognize when it opens...just don't let it become dominate.

Cy you can chose not to drink. Talk to the evil eye and tell it that it is not getting its way. "Eye do not drink">>>>>>

say it to the evil eye >>"Eye do not drink"

There are two of all of us.
 
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Cyclopskiller said:
I don't, but my little brother stayed in Bradford off and on for drug problems.. So, I don't believe it helps. I think I'm gonna have to join a gym or something to that extent
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Some it does help some it doesn't, what I have found is that when you decide it's time, break out the discipline, find some hobby to take it's place, and try to never loose your focus on the goal of sobriety. You may stumble a few times the key is persistence and also who you hang out with. That's what I did was make a change of venue and many years later I finally feel like I run my life.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
Some it does help some it doesn't, what I have found is that when you decide it's time, break out the discipline, find some hobby to take it's place, and try to never loose your focus on the goal of sobriety. You may stumble a few times the key is persistence and also who you hang out with. That's what I did was make a change of venue and many years later I finally feel like I run my life.
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fooking a!!!!!!

you are not powerless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is really up to you, me, Cy

God gave us all a brain and all His Spirit that believe.

The mind and the Spirit work hand in hand.

No man other than us can make choices.

We can be "tortured" but it is up to the soul he gave us how we react.

Some will be weak but keep the faith even thru that weakness>>>you will fail.

That is the Glory of God.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
fooking a!!!!!!

you are not powerless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is really up to you, me, Cy

God gave us all a brain and all His Spirit that believe.

The mind and the Spirit work hand in hand.

No man other than us can make choices.

We can be "tortured" but it is up to the soul he gave us how we react.

Some will be weak but keep the faith even thru that weakness>>>you will fail.

That is the Glory of God.
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Look my post says nothing about powerless I put the Change on the individual, you drunk/stoned both?
 
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The person you can talk to is you. Debate the SOB. Beat his arse down.

There are two of you. There is always someone to talk too no matter where you are. You can also talk to God and is the Spirit inside you. You will find that the you that wants to quit is God.

You don't need Stevie.
 
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