"In disputable video evidence" redefined

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UT_Tix79 said:
The black line is lined up with the football presnap, the yellow line is about 6 inches past the black line. The snap was taken, and the QB pushed for 3 whole steps, and then slid on top of the pile. He was completely over the black line, and 3/4 over the yellow line. And the ref comes in, and places the ball back on the black line.

It may have been the worst spot in the history of spots. And replay got it right. Completely because it was indisputable that the call on the field was wrong. They don't need to see the ball, to know that his feet were past where they actually marked the ball.
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But on the replay can you hear when the whistle blows? If you cannot then the spot has to be where the line judge placed it. It is his job to whistle that play dead and spot the ball where it was at when he blew the whistle.
 
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allvol123 said:
That is an atrocious execution of the replay rule, don't give a damn who had the ball.

Me understanding words and rules appears like whining to you because you are not very intelligent.
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I concur the call on the field was marked short of the line to make. But, there was nothing on the replay to show that the ball crossed the line to make, it was completely inconclusive. So by rule the play should have never been overturned!
 
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volfan411 said:
But on the replay can you hear when the whistle blows? If you cannot then the spot has to be where the line judge placed it. It is his job to whistle that play dead and spot the ball where it was at when he blew the whistle.
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He whistled the play dead when all movement stopped. And that's when the QB was completely passed the black line, and 3/4 over the yellow line. Overturning that call was the only thing they could do. Because it was 100% indisputable that the call on the field was wrong.

Replays job is to get the play right, and they did. Now we have fans claiming that it doesn't matter that the play was right, it shouldn't have been overturned. Even though his feet were past where the ball was spotted, you couldn't see the ball, so therefore he didn't make it...
 
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It was a bad spot. Just as you say that, it was still a bad overturn BY RULE. No indisputable evidence was present. Therefore, BY RULE, the spot should have stood. Most are not doubting it was a bad spot, it was a bad overturn BY RULE. I guess it is true though ... rules were meant to be broken...
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
He whistled the play dead when all movement stopped. And that's when the QB was completely passed the black line, and 3/4 over the yellow line. Overturning that call was the only thing they could do. Because it was 100% indisputable that the call on the field was wrong.

Replays job is to get the play right, and they did. Now we have fans claiming that it doesn't matter that the play was right, it shouldn't have been overturned. Even though his feet were past where the ball was spotted, you couldn't see the ball, so therefore he didn't make it...
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Yes it's quite evident that the replay official has secret cameras that the fans aren't privy to. He saw everything you described as plain as day from the secret camera angles, which will never be shown to Vol fans because the refs 'Hate TN'.
 
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BallinVol said:
It was a bad spot. Just as you say that, it was still a bad overturn BY RULE. No indisputable evidence was present. Therefore, BY RULE, the spot should have stood. Most are not doubting it was a bad spot, it was a bad overturn BY RULE. I guess it is true though ... rules were meant to be broken...
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The same way with Eric Gordon a few years ago it was wrong to blow the whistle on the field but it was also wrong for replay to overturn it as by RULE he should have been down when the whistle blew.
 
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BallinVol said:
It was a bad spot. Just as you say that, it was still a bad overturn BY RULE. No indisputable evidence was present. Therefore, BY RULE, the spot should have stood. Most are not doubting it was a bad spot, it was a bad overturn BY RULE. I guess it is true though ... rules were meant to be broken...
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I'm not sure the spot was bad, the only angle to tell conclusively was that of the officials on the ball to either side, both marked it at the same spot.

As for the replay and the rule, the camera angles and views were inconclusive, by rule the spot shouldn't have been overturned. It's a technicality but without rules there is chaos.
 
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volfan411 said:
The same way with Eric Gordon a few years ago it was wrong to blow the whistle on the field but it was also wrong for replay to overturn it as by RULE he should have been down when the whistle blew.
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Not EVEN close. It was very evident his knee never touched. Get the facts straight before you post.
 
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gunner said:
I concur the call on the field was marked short of the line to make. But, there was nothing on the replay to show that the ball crossed the line to make, it was completely inconclusive. So by rule the play should have never been overturned!
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Exactly.

There is confirmed, stands, and overruled. All 3 mean something different, this one was STANDS.

THE correct ruling.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
Replay is there to get the call right, and they did. You guys complaining sound really pathetic...

They got the call right
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You are totally missing the point. The point is what the rule says not what you think happened. Did it look like he made the first down, yes. But the lines marked the ball short. The rule states indisputable evidence and there was none, beginning and end of story. Was it a bad spot, you and I have no clue because we weren't at the line of scrimmage. the linesman was and the spot occurred. The replay official overstepped and over ruled the rule which is unacceptable. What everyone one is looking for is consistency which we are not getting. So you want pathetic look in the mirror.
 
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gunner said:
I'm not sure the spot was bad, the only angle to tell conclusively was that of the officials on the ball to either side, both marked it at the same spot.

As for the replay and the rule, the camera angles and views were inconclusive, by rule the spot shouldn't have been overturned. It's a technicality but without rules there is chaos.
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I don't see how anyone can say that wasn't a horrible spot. I watched it five times last night and each time I had no idea what the line judge saw. He ran towards where the spot should have been then started to angle back to where he spotted it.

I know people are ticked off but there is no way in hades his original spot was correct. Not even close.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
You are totally missing the point. The point is what the rule says not what you think happened. Did it look like he made the first down, yes. But the lines marked the ball short. The rule states indisputable evidence and there was none, beginning and end of story. Was it a bad spot, you and I have no clue because we weren't at the line of scrimmage. the linesman was and the spot occurred. The replay official overstepped and over ruled the rule which is unacceptable. What everyone one is looking for is consistency which we are not getting. So you want pathetic look in the mirror.
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So in 2011, you believe we shouldn't have been awarded the game winning TD then? Because going by the "letter of the law" a whistle was blown that clearly was heard in the replay, and so the play should have been ruled dead and our TD not count.

Or do you believe the right outcome happened, regardless of the replay, since the whistle should have never been blown?
 
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Yes ... it was a bad spot. It was also a bad overturn. The replay official went by what he thought happened and never once sniffed the call on the field. It's obvious that most people do not understand this. I dont care if he made the first down. He could have somersaulted over the first down line, but if there wasn't video evidence to overturn it, then the call on the field stands. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

And no, I'm not doubting he made the first down. He did. I'm simply going by the rules that are intact. Those who don't get it are either in denial or just simply don't understand the rules.
 
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BallinVol said:
Yes ... it was a bad spot. It was also a bad overturn. The replay official went by what he thought happened and never once sniffed the call on the field. It's obvious that most people do not understand this. I dont care if he made the first down. He could have somersaulted over the first down line, but if there wasn't video evidence to overturn it, then the call on the field stands. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

And no, I'm not doubting he made the first down. He did. I'm simply going by the rules that are intact. Those who don't get it are either in denial or just simply don't understand the rules.
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Goodness, this times a million.
 
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This exact call literally happened hours before during the LSU and TAMU game. LSU brought in a backup qb, he ran the sneak, it was called short even though he obviously made it, it was not over turned. Why? Because there was no video evidence.
 
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