Interesting stat on CJH

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BruiserVol said:
I have never really paid attention to it, but it was just called to my attention. With coach Frost players he went 12-1, 10-2 at UCF. His first year with his recruits went 6-4. This, IMO isn’t a great look. We saw what a qb (Dobbs, for example) can do for a coach. I think Hooker was that qb. I would be lying if I wasn’t worried. Great coaches do not get obliterated like this in year 3. Great coaches don’t struggle with Virginia and Austin Peay.
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Yeah baby, let's get that Frost guy
 
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Heup is still a young coach that is learning and evolving he didn’t walk into a great situation like Kirby did. Now saying that he needs to make some staff changes going into year 4 on the defensive side. We have the best coach we have had in a long time I mean heck it took Majors 8 years to win a SEC title and 5 years to beat Bama. Heup is 25-11 so far with a Orange bowl win, three straight winning seasons and has beat LSU, Florida and Bama he’s doing just fine so far considering the crap show he stepped into when he accepted the HC job here.
 
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Vols1313 said:
I’m not saying 7-5 but he’s seen the schedule it’s going to be very tough if Heup doesn’t figure something out you have three road games Oklahoma Georgia and Arkansas then Bama and Florida at home
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Until we see what we’re able to accomplish through the portal this year, any comment about next season is straight up negavol bs
 
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vol_in_ga said:
Until we see what we’re able to accomplish through the portal this year, any comment about next season is straight up negavol bs
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That’s an opinion , just as people taking the opposite side . People can speculate based on what they have observed . Statistically they’d be more right than you
 
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BruiserVol said:
I have never really paid attention to it, but it was just called to my attention. With coach Frost players he went 12-1, 10-2 at UCF. His first year with his recruits went 6-4. This, IMO isn’t a great look. We saw what a qb (Dobbs, for example) can do for a coach. I think Hooker was that qb. I would be lying if I wasn’t worried. Great coaches do not get obliterated like this in year 3. Great coaches don’t struggle with Virginia and Austin Peay.
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Before the season, Dari said that we would take a step back because opposing coaches would have figured us out by year three. At the time I thought he was crazy; maybe I was wrong.
 
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Remy said:
All the more reason to NEVER consider OR execute and extension on or before year 3 ends.
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We had no choice but to up Heupel’s contract in 2022. 11 and 2 two seasons removed from 3 and 7 demands some compensation. If the last 20 years have taught is ANYTHING it should be that 11 win seasons are not to be taken for granted
 
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Vols1313 said:
That’s an opinion , just as people taking the opposite side . People can speculate based on what they have observed . Statistically they’d be more right than you
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Past performance does not guarantee a future result. Statistically, looking in the rear view mirror gets you in more trouble than focusing on the road ahead. I’m glad those hanging onto the previous year(s) are not the people in charge.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
We had no choice but to up Heupel’s contract in 2022. 11 and 2 two seasons removed from 3 and 7 demands some compensation. If the last 20 years have taught is ANYTHING it should be that 11 win seasons are not to be taken for granted
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That's actually how and why bonuses should be paid out. For performance that went above and beyond the ordinary. 11-2 was that. No problem with showering Heupel and his staff with money for the delivery of an 11-2 performance year. Are we ready to make it rain for this staff for losing to UF, Bama, and UGA in the same season? My issue has been and will be the idea we start delivering contract extensions waaaaaaay to early. We did it with Butch and watched him sit in Tuscaloosa a few years sipping champagne and smoking cigars on our dime. It's a mistake extending ANY coach's contract before the end of year 3 results IMO. I am hoping this does not happen with Heupel. But already we have people looking at our schedule next season and comparing it to our young roster and making excuses for going 8-4 in 2024 and perhaps even in 2025. So tell me, do we really want a HC of football at UT that produces one win against UF, and one against Bama, zero wins against UGA in five years AND EXTEND THAT? I do not want to be part of it. If you don't want to compete, just leave the SEC and go to the Sun Belt Conference.
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
I kinda hope Heupel finishes strong then bounces. That way UT will fall back to a 7 loss team for another 20 years. Ungrateful fan base it has become.
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Been saying this. Even if Heupel isn’t “the guy”, he’s good enough to make our brand relevant again and give us some stability. Changing coaches every 3-4 years hasn’t exactly worked for us the last 13 years or so. The program was an absolute dumpster fire after Pruitt. Be glad we got someone other than Dooley 2.0.
 
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Anyone who thinks Pruitt left Heupel a loaded roster has serious mental issues. It’s was a cluster.

Heupel is recruiting at a much higher level this year than the two previous ones. Wonder why? First, there’s no NCAA cloud over the program anymore. Second, he’s proven last year he can win.

Next year may be a tough year depending on who returns but I’ve expected this due to the horrible ‘21 class & limitations on ‘22 numbers. The best teams will be ‘25 & beyond
 
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bornbleddinorange said:
Even if Nico is a stud it’s still the SEC
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Absolutely. My hopes aren’t high for 2024, but I’m gonna hold off on predicting much (other than UGA and Bama of course) until we see where the chips fall. Turnover on other staffs perhaps, transfers, recruits flipping. Nobody predicted 2022 based on the info we had. There is so much we don’t know yet. If they don’t hit the portal hard, it could get ugly, especially on that line.
 
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DonDiego said:
I hear nothing in this interview to make me think CJH has lost any control or anything else, other than a young man who is very uncomfortable in public speaking situations.
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Yeah. There’s nothing there that reflects negativity on the coaches. Those hearing that are trying too hard to find something that does
 
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Josh Heupel:
2018 UCF 12 1 0
2019 UCF 10 3 0
2020 UCF 6 4 0
2021 UTK 7 6 0
2022 UTK 11 2 0
2023 UTK 7 3 0 to date

I think UT keeps CJH for a few more years and allow him to continue to build the football program. Culture, attitude, academic achievement, graduation rate, on-field performance are all improved and improving still.
 
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TAF said:
I think this year was ALL about CJH showing loyalty to Milton in return for HIS loyalty. You would THINK that would show players/recruits the "family atmosphere" of the Program. However, it can create a locker room that is NOT under the Head Coache's Control...and we have witnessed that last year at USCe and this year at Florida, Bama and Mizzou. Proof of lack of Locker Room control can be heard/seen out of EVERY Aaron Beasley after loss interview.





OR...

Coach Josh Heupel is WEAK in ability to get a Team Ready for an Away Game and is NOT able to motivate them in an Away setting.
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So every time we lose a game the fans think we should win, it’s because the locker room is not under Heupel’s control? That’s kinda ridiculous don’t you think?
 
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BruiserVol said:
I have never really paid attention to it, but it was just called to my attention. With coach Frost players he went 12-1, 10-2 at UCF. His first year with his recruits went 6-4. This, IMO isn’t a great look. We saw what a qb (Dobbs, for example) can do for a coach. I think Hooker was that qb. I would be lying if I wasn’t worried. Great coaches do not get obliterated like this in year 3. Great coaches don’t struggle with Virginia and Austin Peay.
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Great coaches are rare. Saban (sorry to say) is a great coach. Smart wins another Natty this year, he lands in that class. Meyer was a great coach. Great coaches win multiple Nattys.

Fulmer won a Natty but was not a great coach. Neyland is the only great coach in Tennessee's history.

We may see another one some day but not likely in my lifetime. Maybe in a lot of peoples lifetimes.

We make a mistake expecting coaches we hire to be great. We need to allow them to work and try to take the program to the highest heights. If they can accomplish that, they have a chance to join the greatest category. But its a rare happening.

JMO
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
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Yes it’s clearly his fault that he took over a team with low on talent. It’s gonna take time to build the recurring and team depth needed to compete regularly. Also he went 10-3 at UCF his 2 year and 3 of those losses came by a combined 7 points, which 2 of the teams was ranked teams. Also he beat 3 ranked teams that same year, and one of those teams was FAU with Lane Kiffin in his 3rd year.

Also let’s compare Frost to Heupel. You say that was Frost recruits? But I would argue they was more George O’ Leary recruits. Frost was at UCF 2 years where he was 6-7 his 1st year. He wasn’t there long enough to build the team. Heuple won more games his 1st 2 years at UCF than Frost did. Also what has Frost done since leaving UCF? They are not even close. Heupel is recruiting at an elite level right now and we are beating our Bama and UGA for recruits now.

I know it sucks losing to Mizzou, UT beating Bama, LSU, and UF in the same year can’t be dismissed. Everyone is made because Heupel has raised the expectations back to where they was before our decline. No one should be happy with 8-4 or 9-4, but it sure does beat where we was at 3-5 years ago. Give him time to build this team and everyone will be happy. Do I think change needs to be made, yes. But it’s not Heupel that needs to go.
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To add context his 2021 and 2022 team composite ranking was 19th. His 2024 team ranking will be better than the 2023 team ranking based off of the recruiting class. Hopefully we can continue to add to that class and get better people to transfer in and have worst people transfer out. The roster is getting better, but it needs to get better quicker.
 
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BruiserVol said:
I have never really paid attention to it, but it was just called to my attention. With coach Frost players he went 12-1, 10-2 at UCF. His first year with his recruits went 6-4. This, IMO isn’t a great look. We saw what a qb (Dobbs, for example) can do for a coach. I think Hooker was that qb. I would be lying if I wasn’t worried. Great coaches do not get obliterated like this in year 3. Great coaches don’t struggle with Virginia and Austin Peay.
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So who are you replacing him?
 
#73
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Heupel has been playing with his players since day one here. Everybody left through the portal. Those previous stops do not compare to his job here on any level whatsoever.
 
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VolInDayton said:
To add context his 2021 and 2022 team composite ranking was 19th. His 2024 team ranking will be better than the 2023 team ranking based off of the recruiting class. Hopefully we can continue to add to that class and get better people to transfer in and have worst people transfer out. The roster is getting better, but it needs to get better quicker.
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You realize he’s had 10 less scholarships his first two years, don’t you?

I see people cry “he’s gotta get in the portal more”. Hell, I’m sure he would have if he’d had more scholarships. 10 less is a pretty significant number.
 
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Remy said:
All the more reason to NEVER consider OR execute and extension on or before year 3 ends.
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Never...meh.. Winning the East hasn't been done in 25 years. Adding 2 or 3 years would be expected. Add a Natty and they likely look at 5. But almost always yes.
 
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