Iowa Caucus

#151
#151
volfanjustin said:
I am not sure why some of you can't grasp this. Did I or anyone else make him sign up? He made a decision to sign up, I made a decision not to.
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UT has seen...maybe done things that are incomprehensible unless you live through it. I've disagreed with the guy more than once, but dude has paid his dues and doesn't have to answer to anybody in regards to credibility in these matters.

I don't sense that he is bitter about your choices. I do think he has a problem with war mongering (in a general sense) from those who don't have to fight the war they support. I don't see any inconsistency in that.
 
#153
#153
volfanjustin said:
I am not sure why some of you can't grasp this. Did I or anyone else make him sign up? He made a decision to sign up, I made a decision not to.
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I don't fault you for not signing up. I don't fault you for your foreign policy position. I do fault you for being so absolute in it, and calling the other side "naive" when you haven't served. Those that have served support Paul more than any other candidate by a long shot. Paul served himself.
 
#154
#154
utvolpj said:
so since he signed up he should be forced into dangerous situations because you feel it is necessary? Do you feel this current fight is necessary for the survival of the US?
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I don't see how I have forced anyone into anything. I don't think it's necessary for the survival of this country but I think it's necessary so countless numbers of our citizens are not slaughtered. The only way it could be for the survival of the country is if Iran got a nuclear weapon, IMO.
 
#155
#155
volfanjustin said:
I don't see how I have forced anyone into anything. I don't think it's necessary for the survival of this country but I think it's necessary so countless numbers of our citizens are not slaughtered. The only way it could be for the survival of the country is if Iran got a nuclear weapon, IMO.
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This is what's such a joke. Why are we so afraid of them? You've got 17 of the suicide bombers in 9/11 coming from Saudi Arabia, but we don't see them as an enemy (we benefit economically). We are scared to death of this piss-ant country in the ME that we've tried to undermine for 60 years, while we don't even think about rocking the boat with Saudi Arabia.

Doesn't it make you question our objectives?
 
#156
#156
volfanjustin said:
I don't see how I have forced anyone into anything. I don't think it's necessary for the survival of this country but I think it's necessary so countless numbers of our citizens are not slaughtered. The only way it could be for the survival of the country is if Iran got a nuclear weapon, IMO.
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by supporting people that have not served but have no issue sending them into harm's way you are "forcing" them.

so when Iran gets one you will be signing up?

also, why are we fighting a battle that is not necessary to the survival of this country? I mean, if we're fine with/without fighting it then why waste the money and lives?
 
#157
#157
nbakerld said:
I don't fault you for not signing up. I don't fault you for your foreign policy position. I do fault you for being so absolute in it, and calling the other side "naive" when you haven't served. Those that have served support Paul more than any other candidate by a long shot. Paul served himself.
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I can just about promise you when Romney or whoever is nominated most of those will support who ever that person is, over Obama. I would like to see some data to back that up.

I don't think people who support Paul are bad people, we just have a different opinion on foreign policy issues, yes someone who has never served can have a differing opinion on war and foreign policy.
 
#158
#158
Lexvol said:
I've heard they were beyond lazy and didn't really care much about anything.
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It was a situation where the better you were the more likely you and your family would be targeted. Most of the effective ones were either on the other side, low level Bathists so ineligible, or dead. The new ones knew laziness and ineffectiveness was the key to survival.
 
#159
#159
utvolpj said:
by supporting people that have not served but have no issue sending them into harm's way you are "forcing" them.

so when Iran gets one you will be signing up?

also, why are we fighting a battle that is not necessary to the survival of this country? I mean, if we're fine with/without fighting it then why waste the money and lives?
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I think it would cost more lives not to fight it.
 
#160
#160
nbakerld said:
I strongly oppose the measure (if government has the power to make us serve in the military then we are literally slaves to the state), but it would curtail our strong foreign policy.

People think a draft would end the enthusiasm for war but we had a draft and we ended up with a lot of war. Too many loopholes and the poorer classes ended up doing more than their fair share.
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In democratic states which have implemented such policies, the draft has been overwhelmingly positive. Totalitarian states which have implemented a draft, your worries outlined above hold water.
 
#161
#161
volfanjustin said:
I can take anyone disagreeing with my positions, I can deal with it. I understand I am a real right wing guy and some people might not like it. I can deal with LG better than I can that guy.
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Sorry that you have a hard time dealing with verbal attacks; continue to push for your peers to be sent to combat so that you can sit at home with your wife and kids.
 
#162
#162
volfanjustin said:
I think it would cost more lives not to fight it.
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based on what evidence? Would a well-designed US defense system not provide more of a deterrent? How many now have access to Americans that they otherwise would have never had in their lifetime because we are in their country?
 
#163
#163
nbakerld said:
This is what's such a joke. Why are we so afraid of them? You've got 17 of the suicide bombers in 9/11 coming from Saudi Arabia, but we don't see them as an enemy (we benefit economically). We are scared to death of this piss-ant country in the ME that we've tried to undermine for 60 years, while we don't even think about rocking the boat with Saudi Arabia.

Doesn't it make you question our objectives?
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Because I believe Iran will use it.
 
#164
#164
volfanjustin said:
I can just about promise you when Romney or whoever is nominated most of those will support who ever that person is, over Obama. I would like to see some data to back that up.

I don't think people who support Paul are bad people, we just have a different opinion on foreign policy issues, yes someone who has never served can have a differing opinion on war and foreign policy.
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Honest question, have you ever looked at Ron Paul's stance on the issues? Or, are you just taking what the media says as gospel?
Honest question.
 
#165
#165
utvolpj said:
by supporting people that have not served but have no issue sending them into harm's way you are "forcing" them.

so when Iran gets one you will be signing up?

also, why are we fighting a battle that is not necessary to the survival of this country? I mean, if we're fine with/without fighting it then why waste the money and lives?
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So me casting 1 vote every 2 years is me forcing them into war? That's interesting.
 
#168
#168
volfanjustin said:
I can just about promise you when Romney or whoever is nominated most of those will support who ever that person is, over Obama. I would like to see some data to back that up.

I don't think people who support Paul are bad people, we just have a different opinion on foreign policy issues, yes someone who has never served can have a differing opinion on war and foreign policy.
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Thought this was common knowledge. Paul's crowd touts the figures enough that I thought it'd be obnoxious by now.

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#173
#173
I'm a Ron Paul supporter who disagrees with his assertion that the Fed is a bad thing. I think the Fed is too active, but I believe in it's purpose. I think he would be able to audit the Fed, replace Barnanke, but not much else.

But I'm also fairly unknowledgable about the Fed, my opinion is one from reading and more or less trusting the opinions of others.
 
#174
#174
volfanjustin said:
So is there one thing you Paul supporters disagree with him on?
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Yes. I don't think a gold standard is necessary. I think we should just freeze the money supply. In practical terms it doesn't matter because he likely wouldn't be able to accomplish either.
 
#175
#175
Weezy said:
I'm a Ron Paul supporter who disagrees with his assertion that the Fed is a bad thing. I think the Fed is too active, but I believe in it's purpose. I think he would be able to audit the Fed, replace Barnanke, but not much else.

But I'm also fairly unknowledgable about the Fed, my opinion is one from reading and more or less trusting the opinions of others.
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The problem is there isn't really a way to have a Fed that controls the money supply without allowing it the power to do stupid destructive things. Banks were lending the Soviets money to pursue nuclear capabilities, while the American taxpayer was guaranteeing the loan. It's pretty wild what they can get away with.
 
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