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#354
#354
tigervol9802 said:
I somewhat agree with DF here.

IMO, since the early 80s, too many Christians have become more concerned with impacting the laws of the land instead of simply preaching the Gospel. And I'm not buying the argument that impacting laws and preaching the Gospel are one in the same.
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That was more directed toward spreading the gospel, sorry if it confused.

However, if you have the opportunity to vote for or against something (voicing your beliefs), I have no problem with that either.
 
#356
#356
tigervol9802 said:
Explain?
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Organized religion and huge fundraising for monuments is grotesque. Hijacking political processes is irritating. Much of the movement is overrun with uneducated folks who act as if the other side of the argument is too dense to understand the debate.
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#358
#358
T-TownVol said:
man getting in the way?
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Yes. Relationship with Christ / God is a very personal thing. The rewritten Bible of the early popes bastardized a lot of the message, IMO. The conversion of giving to a "tithe" smacks of fiefdom building and the Vatican is proof.
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#359
#359
BeecherVol said:
That was more directed toward spreading the gospel, sorry if it confused.

However, if you have the opportunity to vote for or against something (voicing your beliefs), I have no problem with that either.
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I have no problem with voting for or against something. I do - often. My point is that too many Christians care about legislating sin and morality than they do it preaching the Gospel to non-believers. IMO, there are too many Christians out there that really don't differ that much from a 1st century Pharisee.
 
#361
#361
BigPapaVol said:
Organized religion and huge fundraising for monuments is grotesque. Hijacking political processes is irritating. Much of the movement is overrun with uneducated folks who act as if the other side of the argument is too dense to understand the debate.
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We basically agree then, maybe less so on organized religion.
 
#362
#362
tigervol9802 said:
I have no problem with voting for or against something. I do - often. My point is that too many Christians care about legislating sin and morality than they do it preaching the Gospel to non-believers. IMO, there are too many Christians out there that really don't differ that much from a 1st century Pharisee.
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We agree. Time is better spent spreading the Gospel.
 
#363
#363
BigPapaVol said:
Bad argument. The capitulation to the Holy Ghost thing just doesn't work for some.
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Man always doubts what they don't understand. I understand where you are coming from though.
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#364
#364
BigPapaVol said:
Yes. Relationship with Christ / God is a very personal thing. The rewritten Bible of the early popes bastardized a lot of the message, IMO. The conversion of giving to a "tithe" smacks of fiefdom building and the Vatican is proof.
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I agree 100% with that.

There are some churches that are run like our government when it comes to finances, and that is dead wrong.
 
#365
#365
BigPapaVol said:
Yes. Relationship with Christ / God is a very personal thing. The rewritten Bible of the early popes bastardized a lot of the message, IMO. The conversion of giving to a "tithe" smacks of fiefdom building and the Vatican is proof.
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this it in a nutshell....I like to think that what I say might influence someone, but it really does not.....each individual has to come to grips and make that decision for themselves
 
#366
#366
BeecherVol said:
We agree. Time is better spent spreading the Gospel.
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I have said before and will say again -

If Christians would put their faith in God and put their money and efforts to promote the Gospel as much as they do legislation, we might see a complete change.
 
#368
#368
Oldvol75 said:
Man always doubts what they don't understand. I understand where you are coming from though.
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Why give me a program that I can't understand and tell me I have to basically quit being a rational, thinking human to get it? That's a tough message.
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#369
#369
T-TownVol said:
this it in a nutshell....I like to think that what I say might influence someone, but it really does not.....each individual has to come to grips and make that decision for themselves
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And the message we give is that you have to lighted upon by the spirit or you just won't get it. Again, a very tough message.
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#370
#370
As a Baptist pastor I agree that in some cases the church has lost it's way. As I tell the congregation I pastor, it's not about the building and the programs. It's about going to church with a purpose. That purpose can only be for one thing and one thing only. That is to worship God and His Son, Jesus Christ. If a person goes for any other reason, they are wasting their time. That includes preaching the gospel to those that don't know him.
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#371
#371
Oldvol75 said:
As a Baptist pastor I agree that in some cases the church has lost it's way. As I tell the congregation I pastor, it's not about the building and the programs. It's about going to church with a purpose. That purpose can only be for one thing and one thing only. That is to worship God and His Son, Jesus Christ. If a person goes for any other reason, they are wasting their time. That includes preaching the gospel to those that don't know him.
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No argument.
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#372
#372
BigPapaVol said:
And the message we give is that you have to lighted upon by the spirit or you just won't get it. Again, a very tough message.
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very true.....sometimes the old fire and brimstone, that I grew up in, comes out and it does more harm than good
 
#373
#373
Oldvol75 said:
As a Baptist pastor I agree that in some cases the church has lost it's way. As I tell the congregation I pastor, it's not about the building and the programs. It's about going to church with a purpose. That purpose can only be for one thing and one thing only. That is to worship God and His Son, Jesus Christ. If a person goes for any other reason, they are wasting their time. That includes preaching the gospel to those that don't know him.
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Solid.
 
#375
#375
Oldvol75 said:
As a Baptist pastor I agree that in some cases the church has lost it's way. As I tell the congregation I pastor, it's not about the building and the programs. It's about going to church with a purpose. That purpose can only be for one thing and one thing only. That is to worship God and His Son, Jesus Christ. If a person goes for any other reason, they are wasting their time. That includes preaching the gospel to those that don't know him.
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I am a member of a mega church and people can not beleive it when our pastor tells them the same thing that you just said......"come to worship or find a place that you can"
 
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