Iran

Again, I've been hearing the same arguments my entire life. "We didn't go in hard enough..." Blah blah blah... Outside of nukes, what more could you have wanted in any of these conflicts?
The answer to this is simple. No more idiotic ROE's. You kill everyone that is a threat or potential threat. No more not being able to shoot someone unless they have a weapon pointed at you. In war, you are there to end it as fast as possible. Kill them all and let God sort them out.

We just don't seem to have the balls or the stomach for real war anymore.
 
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Debatable... especially based on what we have seen thus far in Ukraine and the Middle East in the past few months.

But let's say for the sake of argument that you are correct. We may have quality, but what about quantity? In other words, how sustainable would any attack be with our current weapons systems?
Phalanx CIWS can take them out. 20mm Vulcan cannon.

About $25 a round - so less than $3000 to let loose a 2 second burst that puts up a wall of hot Tungsten.

Pretty cost efficient.

US Navy destroyer USS Gravely shot down a Houthi anti-ship cruise missile at a very close range of a mile (1.6 km) on the night of January 31, according to official statements. This throws up a lot of scenarios and possibilities surrounding the shootdowns, especially a possible change of tactics by the US Navy.
 
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And which missiles are those?


Ras has two goals in any commentary: first, to undermine confidence in our military capabilities and whether we are even capable of exerting force at a scale we think we can; and, 2) to try to make it appear that his commentary criticizing Biden would align his attacks on the US military in Ukraine with Republican interests here at home.

It's just standard divide and conquer rhetoric. The only question is whether Putin pays him by the word or by the post.
 
Ras has two goals in any commentary: first, to undermine confidence in our military capabilities and whether we are even capable of exerting force at a scale we think we can; and, 2) to try to make it appear that his commentary criticizing Biden would align his attacks on the US military in Ukraine with Republican interests here at home.

It's just standard divide and conquer rhetoric. The only question is whether Putin pays him by the word or by the post.
Ras thinks that Russia has the best military on earth. He's a clown.
 
Ras has two goals in any commentary: first, to undermine confidence in our military capabilities and whether we are even capable of exerting force at a scale we think we can; and, 2) to try to make it appear that his commentary criticizing Biden would align his attacks on the US military in Ukraine with Republican interests here at home.

It's just standard divide and conquer rhetoric. The only question is whether Putin pays him by the word or by the post.
When LG is actually making sense, you know you f’d up in your argument.
 

“Iranian leaders work with Lenin’s dictum that ‘you probe with bayonets: if you find mush, you push. If you find steel, you withdraw.’ Tehran and its proxies are pressing their attacks because they haven’t confronted steel,” wrote MacKenzie just after the fourth anniversary of the U.S. assassination of Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani. MacKenzie boasted that he was the commander of that operation under the Trump administration.

“The Iranians subsequently backed down,” he added in his Wall Street Journal essay. “Here is the lesson: The Iranians’ strategic decision-making is rational. Its leaders understand the threat of violence and its application.”

Meanwhile, Stavridis, who never misses an opportunity to push military solutions onto complex combustible geopolitical problems, has written at least two Bloomberg pieces outlining plans for multi-pronged strikes on Iran and its proxies. After the Jordan strikes, his plans now include attacks on Iranian warships, boarding and seizing an Iranian naval or commercial vessel, targeting Iranian oil and gas platforms in the Arabian Gulf and strikes against Iranian military command-and-control sites, Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps headquarters.

“If that doesn’t work, the administration is going to have to consider strikes inside Iran,” Stavridis told NBC News on Thursday.

Earlier in January, Stavridis was echoing a familiar call in the message force multiplier vortex—that the U.S. sank the Iranian naval fleet in 1988 during “Operation Praying Mantis.” “Iran got the message,” he said. “Perhaps it is time to send it again.”
 
Meanwhile, Stavridis, who never misses an opportunity to push military solutions onto complex combustible geopolitical problems, has written at least two Bloomberg pieces outlining plans for multi-pronged strikes on Iran and its proxies. After the Jordan strikes, his plans now include attacks on Iranian warships, boarding and seizing an Iranian naval or commercial vessel, targeting Iranian oil and gas platforms in the Arabian Gulf and strikes against Iranian military command-and-control sites, Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps headquarters.
So essentially shuting down the Straits of Hormuz. Perfect. What could go wrong?

“If that doesn’t work, the administration is going to have to consider strikes inside Iran,” Stavridis told NBC News on Thursday.
Som essentially WWIII. Perfect. What could go wrong?

Earlier in January, Stavridis was echoing a familiar call in the message force multiplier vortex—that the U.S. sank the Iranian naval fleet in 1988 during “Operation Praying Mantis.” “Iran got the message,” he said. “Perhaps it is time to send it again.”
This ain't 1988.
 
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Our stupid politicians . The weapons did just fine.
Has our political condition improved between Korea and now? If you say no, then why do you all still support military actions being lead by incompotent politicians?

If you say "yes", then how do you explain that with all of our killing and maiming, that we still lost in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine?

Outside of Panama and Grenada, what military victories can we post on our scoreboard?
 
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Has our political condition improved between Korea and now? If you say no, then why do you all still support military actions being lead by incompotent politicians?

If you say "yes", then how do you explain that with all of our killing and maiming, that we still lost in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine?

Outside of Panama and Grenada, what military victories can we post on our scoreboard?

We have always been the superior force with inferior politicians.

No boots on the ground Ras. Destroy their navy period.
 
We have always been the superior force with inferior politicians.

No boots on the ground Ras. Destroy their navy period.

Superior force…yes

Destroying their navy? That’ll entail significant casualties on our side. This isn’t the Iran of the 80’s…they’re allied and equipped with the latest Russian/Chinese tech.
 
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We have always been the superior force with inferior politicians.

No boots on the ground Ras. Destroy their navy period.
And again, answer my question... how has our political condition changed?

With regards to our "force" superiority... we have always been able to kill civilians and stack bodies. But how effective has that been in achieving victory since WWII? Hell, we can bomb the Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Syrians and Yemense to the Stone Age, yet unless you put boots on the ground and win there, it doesn't mean jack S#!t...
 
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We have always been the superior force with inferior politicians.

No boots on the ground Ras. Destroy their navy period.
Then you are not going to achieve victory (or achieve your political aims) of freeing up the Red Sea or stopping attacks on Syrian/Iraqi bases.
 
Then you are not going to achieve victory (or achieve your political aims) of freeing up the Red Sea or stopping attacks on Syrian/Iraqi bases.

Outside of nuking this country….they will always have/maintain the initiative…

This would be a bloody ass war…which would claim too many Americans to stomach…which is why it hasn’t happened in the 40 years of our politicians pushing it.
 
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