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#555
Orangeburst said:
Well, the ones that we took out certainly wont
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I'm sure that will stop things just like 20 years in Afghanistan stopped the Taliban... or close to 20 years stopped the North Vietnamese.

You people just don't learn from history at all. Hell, the Saudis have been fighting them for a decade and couldn't stop them with American weapons. WTF?
 
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#556
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm sure that will stop things just like 30 years in Afghanistan stopped the Taliban... or close to 20 years stopped the North Vietnamese.

You people just don't learn from history at all. Hell, the Saudis have been fighting them for a decade and couldn't stop them with American weapons. WTF?
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So you give the Houthis sympathy as they attack international shipping because we support Israel, yet all the Iranian groups support Hamas. Out of all this, it is somehow our fault. Newsflash, we are not initiating hostilities.

With all the personal attacks you been throwing around..here is one for you.
You are a hypocritical dumbass.
 
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#557
#557
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm sure that will stop things just like 30 years in Afghanistan stopped the Taliban... or close to 20 years stopped the North Vietnamese.

You people just don't learn from history at all. Hell, the Saudis have been fighting them for a decade and couldn't stop them with American weapons. WTF?
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Trump had that place well oiled and running like a sewing machine.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And again, that just makes my point even more. China doesn't need a blue water navy because they are not trying to project power.

And besides, with missile technology and sea drone tech, naval power is quickly becoming a diminishing military asset. Take the US/UK operations against the Houthis as a contemporary example. Some goatherders with an irregular military force has essentially shut down Bab Al-mendeb/Red Sea. WTF will our same blue water navies do against a real military like Iran if they chose to shutdown the Strait of Hormuz?

Not a damn thing is the correct answer.
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Bwaaa. “A real military like Iran”. I am rolling.

Choosing not to smoke the Houthis
-and-
Being unable to smoke the Houthis

Is two different things…
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm sure that will stop things just like 30 years in Afghanistan stopped the Taliban... or close to 20 years stopped the North Vietnamese.

You people just don't learn from history at all....
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So true. We, as a country, for the most part, understand this. We, as a country, allow the major DOD contractors to ramp up **** that feeds their pocketbooks/greed.
 
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Orangeburst said:
So you give the Houthis sympathy as they attack international shipping because we support Israel, yet all the Iranian groups support Hamas. Out of all this, it is somehow our fault. Newsflash, we are not initiating hostilities.
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We are arming the Israelis. If we don't arm them and assist them, Israel grinds to a halt.

Orangeburst said:
With all the personal attacks you been throwing around..here is one for you.
You are a hypocritical dumbass.
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No, I'm very balanced actually. If the US is allowed to impose sanctions and disrupt trade, then what stops anyone else from doing the same?
 
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#563
newokie03 said:
You are the only thing I have ever interacted with that makes me question why I signed my name in blood to protect the Bill of Rights. SMDH.
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How are you protecting the Bill of Rights in the Middle East? Or Southeast Asia? Or Ukraine? Meanwhile, our Mexican border is wide the f*** open????

WTF are you talking about right now?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And again, that just makes my point even more. China doesn't need a blue water navy because they are not trying to project power.

And besides, with missile technology and sea drone tech, naval power is quickly becoming a diminishing military asset. Take the US/UK operations against the Houthis as a contemporary example. Some goatherders with an irregular military force has essentially shut down Bab Al-mendeb/Red Sea. WTF will our same blue water navies do against a real military like Iran if they chose to shutdown the Strait of Hormuz?

Not a damn thing is the correct answer.
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If they choose to, they can destroy Irans navy in days. Don't act like Iran has even anywhere near our capabilities.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've been hearing this nonsense my whole life about every war we have been in since Vietnam. Outside of using nukes, WTF more can the US do? Or, is nukes your final solution?
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No, you can slaughter them conventionally. Just takes longer, and you would have to put infantry on the ground in that flea nest as well.
 
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norrislakevol said:
No, you can slaughter them conventionally. Just takes longer, and you would have to put infantry on the ground in that flea nest as well.
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And how many infantry (boots on the ground) would you need to accomplish this? What type of logistics and support would you need? How long would it take to do this? The last question is the most basic because I remember how long it took from Aug 1990 to the end of Jan 1991 for Desert Storm to get 300k+ mobiliized and situated. WTF can we do in 2024?
 
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#568
norrislakevol said:
If they choose to, they can destroy Irans navy in days. Don't act like Iran has even anywhere near our capabilities.
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And let me also say this... so what if you take out Iran's navy? That still will not help you in the long term because you would still need to put boots on the groundand have to deal with their air defense. And Iran has a missile system than can sink any of our ships. Will Iran allow us to even get close enough to land troops and assets?
 
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norrislakevol said:
If they choose to, they can destroy Irans navy in days. Don't act like Iran has even anywhere near our capabilities.
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This needs to happen. They have terrorized the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman for far too long. Smuggling weapons will become more difficult.

Economically devastating for them.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
This needs to happen. They have terrorized the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman for far too long. Smuggling weapons will become more difficult.

Economically devastating for them.
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Really? Just wait until they shutdown the Strait of Hormuz. The goatherding Houthis have already provided the blueprint.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And how many infantry (boots on the ground) would you need to accomplish this? What type of logistics and support would you need? How long would it take to do this? The last question is the most basic because I remember how long it took from Aug 1990 to the end of Jan 1991 for Desert Storm to get 300k+ mobiliized and situated. WTF can we do in 2024?
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Oh it could be done. I'm not saying that it should be done btw.
 
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#572
Rasputin_Vol said:
And let me also say this... so what if you take out Iran's navy? That still will not help you in the long term because you would still need to put boots on the groundand have to deal with their air defense. And Iran has a missile system than can sink any of our ships. Will Iran allow us to even get close enough to land troops and assets?
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Please.....We could take out their air defense systems with our stealth. They don't have any of these items that you list anywhere near our capability. Not saying that we should do this, I'm just saying that if we had to then the Iranians don't stand a chance at ever claiming victory.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Really? Just wait until they shutdown the Strait of Hormuz. The goatherding Houthis have already provided the blueprint.
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I'm pretty sure we could keep it open.
Rasputin_Vol said:
And let me also say this... so what if you take out Iran's navy? That still will not help you in the long term because you would still need to put boots on the groundand have to deal with their air defense. And Iran has a missile system than can sink any of our ships. Will Iran allow us to even get close enough to land troops and assets?
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We don't need troops. Destroy their navy and nothing gets in or out by sea. They can't sell oil and they can't smuggle weapons.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Please.....We could take out their air defense systems with our stealth.
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That is just a marketing term at this point. And again, if goatherders in Afghanistan and Yemen and rice farmers in SE Asia have beaten us, what makes you think it will be any different wth a real and professional army like the IRGC?

norrislakevol said:
They don't have any of these items that you list anywhere near our capability.
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They have more than enough to make a war with Iran a fool's erand.

norrislakevol said:
Not saying that we should do this, I'm just saying that if we had to then the Iranians don't stand a chance at ever claiming victory.
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Our only advantage against Iran would be nukes. We don't have the troops and our navy and logistics would not be able to set up shop. Plus, what Iran lacks in certain areas, they make up in missile tech and air defense. There is no way the US can/will put the necessary boots on the ground to threaten Iran. At best, all we can do is harass them with air strikes on occasion. That won't be effective with their air defense and with our limited supply of missiles.
 
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