Is America at war with islam?

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#26
volfanjustin said:
They are always looking for reasons to justify Islamic hatred of us. Pathetic.
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This would only make sense if the one pointing to the Crusades/Inquistions/Reformation/Counter-Reformation/Missionary Conversions by the Sword/et cetera, made the claim that Christians were in any way justified in those historic events.
 
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#27
droski said:
somewhere around 80% of them in the middle east at the very least don't like us. let's not act like hatred of the US isn't widespread.
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"Don't like" does not equate to "hate."

And "don't like" and "hate" do not equate to a willingness to resort to violence to make their point.

There is no question but that there is tremendous tension between the Middle East and the West, including numerous countries, not just the U.S. But if you watch interviews of people revolting against their governments, which they perceive as propped up by us in the interests of getting their oil, it is pretty clear that it economics and politics far more than it is religion that drives this bus.

What has happened is that radical Islam has descended on these discontented people and coopted them into making it about religion. Heck, even Bin Laden was a US ally when it suited his goals against Russia.

This si classic geopolitics over resources and economics, pure and simple. Radical Islam is an opportunist, nothing more.

You want to "win" the war? Reform the economic situation so that these countries put in place stable governments that allow their populace to achieve. That will drive the religious fundamentalitsts out.

You want to prolong the war? Feed the perception that we hate their religion.

You ask me, the naive, like gsvol and joevol, they are the ones that are going to keep perpetuating this irrational spiral of hate, which is not even really what this is about.
 
#28
#28
If joe and vfjustin wrote the census:

I is:

[ ] Wite
[ ] Blak
[ ] Messican

Reelijun

[ ] Praise jesus
[ ] Moslem
[ ] Somethin else

Political affiliation:

[ ] Publican
[ ] lib-tard
[ ] Obama is ruining the country, and every breath he takes is incorrect
 
#29
#29
joevol320 said:
it's funny how you libs always talk about the Cruisades and how Christian looked to kill the muslims. however, you guys only talk about part of that history. you guys bring up the cruisades to somehow justify the muslims hatred for us.
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Aren't cruis-ades the guys who fold your towels into funny little animals on Carnival ships?
 
#31
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joevol320 said:
it's funny how you libs always talk about the Cruisades and how Christian looked to kill the muslims. however, you guys only talk about part of that history. you guys bring up the cruisades to somehow justify the muslims hatred for us.
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The Crusades was a stupid religious battle between the Christians and the Muslims over a stupid city. I bring it up because it is the bloodiest and most well known war involving two religions.

Question: what'd the Muslims call the Crusades? I use Crusades because I don't know what they called that war, if it was different than the Crusades.
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#33
"Protesters carried signs declaring 'Islam will dominate the world' and Jihad to defend the Muslims' as well as banners attacking the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"

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Read more: Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Furious bin Laden supporters vow to take revenge
 
#35
#35
We're at war with terrorists that harm innocent people. Whatever their religion, they need to die.
 
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#36
Of course, we are not at war with Islam.

Haven't you guys noticed how every Muslim leader has stood up and announced their joy at Bin Laden's death?
 
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#39
We are absolutely at war with factions of the Islamic faith. And the moderate factions need to be more vocal about disavowing retaliation when other nations decide to practice free speech rights and say things like "Muhammed was a terrorist", or show carictatures of his likeness in an unflattering likeness. I equate it to Westboro yahoos who say despicable things. None of us like it, but we all respect their right to say such things. It is time for Islam to do the same thing if they want to be treated as a modern religion and not stereotyped as a bunch of terrorists.

And another thing, if all these moderates really believed Bin Laden did not practice true Islam, and perverted teachings, then why isn't there more widespread outcry that the US government made careful effort to bury him in the Islamic tradition? One would think they would be upset we actually treated him like a Muslim. The only thing that did was placate the extremists, and (should have) pissed off the moderates.
 
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rjd970 said:
And another thing, if all these moderates really believed Bin Laden did not practice true Islam, and perverted teachings, then why isn't there more widespread outcry that the US government made careful effort to bury him in the Islamic tradition.
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Is there an outcry from Christians when mass murderers and serial killers are given Christian funeral rights?
 
#42
#42
therealUT said:
Is there an outcry from Christians when mass murderers and serial killers are given Christian funeral rights?
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I guarantee if Hitler would have been giving a Christian burial there would have been an outcry.

...also, if said mass murders and serial killers inspired a generation of followers to do the same thing there would be an outcry.
 
#43
#43
Islam has a public relations problem, and that would have been a huge step in the right direction to correct that problem.
 
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#45
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rjd970 said:
Funny how neither of those guys killed in the name of Christianity. That is a fundamental difference being overlooked.
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You can make the argument that McVeigh did. He was inspired after the fiasco with the Branch Davidians in Waco.
 
#46
#46
All these McVeigh, Loughner, serial killers, mass murders, etc...minus maybe a few exceptions that I can't think of right off hand (and how I can name Islamic mass murders and terrorists rather easily) never did it in the name of Christianity.

Bin Laden was not a true moderate Muslim. Period. Nobody will argue that. So why aren't the moderates up in arms that this guy, who killed in the name of the faith they hold dear and practice responsibly, got last burial rights in that tradition?
 
#47
#47
therealUT said:
You can make the argument that McVeigh did. He was inspired after the fiasco with the Branch Davidians in Waco.
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You can, but it is a crap argument. His beef was with the government and ATF for denying rights to a bunch of crazies.
 
#48
#48
Just pointing out hypocrisy that nobody seems to want to acknowldege.
 
#49
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rjd970 said:
I guarantee if Hitler would have been giving a Christian burial there would have been an outcry.
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I do not think there would have been. The Pope even prayed for bin Laden's soul during the Vatican Mass on Monday.

I have no problem with treating people with dignity and respect when you bury them, no matter who the person was or what that person did in his/her lifetime. If that person professed to be a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc., I have no problem in giving them proper burial rights according to such creeds.
 
#50
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therealUT said:
I do not think there would have been. The Pope even prayed for bin Laden's soul during the Vatican Mass on Monday.

I have no problem with treating people with dignity and respect when you bury them, no matter who the person was or what that person did in his/her lifetime. If that person professed to be a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, etc., I have no problem in giving them proper burial rights according to such creeds.
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I bet I can find family members of 3000 deceased Americans, some of whom were Muslim, that would vehemently disagree.

In addition to hypocrisy, I think there is a measure of perspective being overlooked here as well.
 
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