Is Bama next?

#204
#204
bamawriter said:
Players can give their gear to whoever they want. They simply cannot profit off of it. The fact that a jersey has a name on it does not mean it cannot leave the control of the school or player.
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Ok, said I was done but had to answer on this one. If your a player and could give your gameworn jersey to people would you sign it and give it to a booster/businessman? Or would you give it to either family or friends? Me personally would give it to friends and family or keep them for myself. It is a piece of your college days that should be something you cherish. Why not give them to your parents,brothers,sisters, other family members or really good friends. Or hell even a young kid who is a fan. On what basis would you give it to middle-aged and older store owners and boosters? I would think you wouldnt, unless you benefited from it. Just dont see any basis you would do that for someone you havent known very long or have any kind of long lasting frie ndship with. I can only think of one reason you would give to a booster/store owner. And i doubt i have to spell it out for you so I wont. Unless he said Hey julio, will you sign this and we will auction it off or sell it and the proceeds will go to a charity or to help out with somekind of disaster relief or something. But that doesnt appear to be the case. And i am not even sure they could auction and sell to charity, i dont know the rules on that. but again the chances of that are slim to none. So then why do you give them to him? Think I know and i am sure the NCAA would know as well.
 
#205
#205
bamawriter said:
I wouldn't count on that.

There may be more picture of more players. But what exactly would those prove that the first pictures haven't?
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Sounds to me like he does have much, much more to report. According to his site anyway. And i am sure he isnt the only one with stuff to report before this is over. If your not just a little worried about your precious tide then you are living in a fantasy world and nothing anyone says or proves will make a difference.
 
#206
#206
bamawriter said:
Given that lots of Bama players have appeared in this dude's commercials after they left school, it wouldn't shock me if there was an agreement from the beginning that they'd get easy work in the future in exchange for swag now. It would certainly be a violation, but it would be impossible to prove.
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Yes I am sure they would agree to hang around T-town after they graduate and do commercials for a Suit Store in the Mall if they would sign stuff now and he would wait to take care of them. Surely thats how it went down.
 
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#207
jason,

Your point is well made (which is somewhat of a rarity for you). I'm not saying that I would give my gear to this guy, but it's a leap to say that no one would without compensation. Like I said earlier, there could be promises of future earnings, which would be an impossible to prove violation.

The reality is that players have lots of gameworn stuff they can give to whoever they want. Richardson could have given this guy a couple of jerseys and gloves and he'd still have had enough gameworn gear to fill his mom's living room.

Ultimately, the NCAA is never going to sanction Alabama based on whether or not it makes sense for players to give their stuff to a middle aged store owner. That's not proof. That's not even circumstantial proof. Unless it can be proven that these players received renumeration for their gear, it's not a problem.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Sounds to me like he does have much, much more to report. According to his site anyway. And i am sure he isnt the only one with stuff to report before this is over. If your not just a little worried about your precious tide then you are living in a fantasy world and nothing anyone says or proves will make a difference.
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7 or 8 stories, all with the same information that was included in the first one. He could have "much, much more" of the same stuff he's already laid out and I wouldn't be a bit more worried than I am right now.
 
#209
#209
bamawriter said:
Really, really hard to keep players away from boosters all together.

Like I said, I wish these players would think about this stuff before they do it, because it causes issues like this, even if there was no violation. But if there isn't a violation, it's kinda hard for a coach to tell them they can't do something.
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No its not.
 
#210
#210
jasonvol18 said:
Yes I am sure they would agree to hang around T-town after they graduate and do commercials for a Suit Store in the Mall if they would sign stuff now and he would wait to take care of them. Surely thats how it went down.
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Several grand for a few hours out of your day before you head to the combine? You could have my helmet for that.
 
#212
#212
bamawriter said:
jason,

Ultimately, the NCAA is never going to sanction Alabama based on whether or not it makes sense for players to give their stuff to a middle aged store owner. That's not proof. That's not even circumstantial proof. Unless it can be proven that these players received renumeration for their gear, it's not a problem.
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Just playing devils advocate here, mainly because I live in Alabama and have been in the middle of the barner/bammer crap for years, but bammers had no problem claiming $cam Newton had been bought without any hard evidence that he had at Auburn.
 
#213
#213
BearCat204 said:
Just playing devils advocate here, mainly because I live in Alabama and have been in the middle of the barner/bammer crap for years, but bammers had no problem claiming $cam Newton had been bought without any hard evidence that he had at Auburn.
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And the NCAA hasn't done anything about Cam, either. Just because it doesn't make sense that Cecil wouldn't solicit the barn when he had done so with MSU does not mean you have proof.
 
#214
#214
http://outkickthecoverage.com/...c0b003f68fa.jpg

^From Travis's blog.

I am not familiar enough with the University Mall, but there are Bama fans claiming that not only is this picture not of Albetar's kiosk, but it was taken at an entirely different mall.

*Edit. Someone pointed out the railing looking out over the bottom floor. I have been to the University Mall enough times to know it's only one story.
 
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#215
#215
bamawriter said:
jason,

Your point is well made (which is somewhat of a rarity for you). I'm not saying that I would give my gear to this guy, but it's a leap to say that no one would without compensation. Like I said earlier, there could be promises of future earnings, which would be an impossible to prove violation.

The reality is that players have lots of gameworn stuff they can give to whoever they want. Richardson could have given this guy a couple of jerseys and gloves and he'd still have had enough gameworn gear to fill his mom's living room.

Ultimately, the NCAA is never going to sanction Alabama based on whether or not it makes sense for players to give their stuff to a middle aged store owner. That's not proof. That's not even circumstantial proof. Unless it can be proven that these players received renumeration for their gear, it's not a problem.
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Theres no doubt they wont sanction them over who they give their jerseys too. But your also making every possible excuse for a school that obviously has a big time history of wrongdoings. It would be different if they were a clean program and have had very minimal runins with the NCAA but thats not the facts. Fact is they are still on probation, have been investigated numerous times for various things, with the biggest issues being boosters or former boosters that had to be disassociated. Im sure when the NCAA has seen and caught wind of this stuff that they didnt think. Hey its alabama they have always done things right and been sqeaky clean. The fact is I would bet the NCAA and the majority of the sports world instantly says guilty based on that. And stuff continues to come out and doesnt help to change the minds of anybody. This is really the last thing alabam needs. They are still on probation being the worst part of it. They have a great coach and tons of talent on campus and continues to bring in great classes.Their biggest rival could be on the verge of getting nailed and things are going great. But now this comes out and who knows how bad it gets. They just cant stand it and their cockiness could come back and bite them in the ass.
 
#216
#216
bamawriter said:
http://outkickthecoverage.com/...c0b003f68fa.jpg

^From Travis's blog.

I am not familiar with the University Mall, but there are Bama fans claiming that not only is this picture not of Albetar's kiosk, but it was taken at an entirely different mall.
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Well of course they are saying that, what else would they say? If that helps them sleep at night then its all good. Either way it will come out one way or another. I am sure that next was Trent's picture at the restaurant with all those people was photoshopped in.
 
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#217
You keep saying we're "cocky" and "arrogant." We've turned ourselves in to the NCAA 4 times since Saban showed up. It's not like we're ignoring violations.
 
#218
#218
jasonvol18 said:
Well of course they are saying that, what else would they say? If that helps them sleep at night then its all good. Either way it will come out one way or another. I am sure that next was Trent's picture at the restaurant with all those people was photoshopped in.
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Read my edit, it isn't the kiosk. It's not the mall. University Mall only has one story. And doesn't the assortment of items being sold look odd for a store that sells suits? Notice you can't see the name of the store in the picture. It's a fake.
 
#219
#219
bamawriter said:
http://outkickthecoverage.com/...c0b003f68fa.jpg

^From Travis's blog.

I am not familiar enough with the University Mall, but there are Bama fans claiming that not only is this picture not of Albetar's kiosk, but it was taken at an entirely different mall.

*Edit. Someone pointed out the railing looking out over the bottom floor. I have been to the University Mall enough times to know it's only one story.
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Clay even hinted to that in the article. It does kind of look like the Galleria but its hard to tell. That looks like its overlooking the mall and the Kiosk's in the galleria are on the bottom floor. But that could even be worse, if he or someone else has one they are running in Hoover. But either way it doesnt matter where the kiosk is. Someone has signed gameworn Jerseys of players and has them for sale. Where it is located really doesnt mean a thing. Doesnt mean he or one of his partners didnt open one up in the Galleria to help hit a larger market than just Tuscaloosa.thats actually even worse news for them.
 
#220
#220
bamawriter said:
Read my edit, it isn't the kiosk. It's not the mall. University Mall only has one story. And doesn't the assortment of items being sold look odd for a store that sells suits? Notice you can't see the name of the store in the picture. It's a fake.
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LOl..No it isnt fake. Only thing different is that its not in University mall and that means nothing. Its still signed Gameworn Jerseys at a Kiosk. doesnt matter which mall its at.
 
#221
#221
Its actually getting worse and worse. He got the letter for the Kiosk at university Mall. So what do you do? Open a Kiosk at another mall and there you go, free and clear.
 
#222
#222
One last thing Bamawriter. When you can check out sportsbybrooks he has a picture of the real Kiosk at University Mall. You can tell from the flooring on it thats its not the Galleria and a completely diffeent pic than what Clay has. They have the real University Mall Kiosk.
 
#224
#224
This is all insignificant until the NCAA complete their investigation. Then we will know the facts.
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