Is it ever Holly's Fault?

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Rickster said:
I don't watch the pressers so I can't comment but there are so many in this forum reporting on what she said that I am not compelled to watch it personally. Lets see if I got this right….

1. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not communicate well during the press conference (just like Steven Hawkings can't communicate well during his press conferences). Hey, some pretty good people do not speak well in front of others but that does not make them incompetent unless they are the HC of the LV's,

2. Holly can't be a good coach because she tries to be honest during the press conference rather than resorting to "coach speak." When someone asks her a question, she tries to answer it with the knowledge she has at the moment rather than deferring until she can go over film and speak with the players,

3. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not recognize all those coaching professionals who post in VolNation and do what they recommend,

4. Holly can't be a good coach because she will not step down like some VolNation posters want her to.
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just like Steven Hawkings can't communicate well during his press conferences...really...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkRDmJpthXg
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
just like Steven Hawkings can't communicate well during his press conferences...really...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkRDmJpthXg
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You obviously have too much time on your hands if you scoured the web to find one that was not too bad. And by the way, that was not a dig on Hawking but just a statement about many really smart people not being able to speak well in public but then, you know that…you just want to fight!!!
 
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Holly has no clue how to get this teaming playing decent basketball. You watch her press conference she is clueless.
 
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Vols4life said:
PS was always hard on the girls and who was the coach who would go up to the girls and tell them it was going to be alright...Holly....I mean the girls didn't even call her CW they called her Holly.....She only got the job because she was loyal to PS.....I have no idea what she was doing as an assistant coach obviously she wasn't learning much just being the players friend
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This is often the case in several levels of sports and life. Have no idea if true here.

Here's the big thing I have wondered from day 1 ...

I'm going to leave it here like a paper sack in the middle of an airport concourse and walk swiftly away ...

should an absolute legend of a head coach who is retiring, be given unquestioned power to appoint a successor, or should that be the responsibility of the AD's brass?
 
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As is the case with any other job, it all starts at the top. Regardless of why or who, it's ultimately Holly decision so the blame rests completely on her shoulders. She can't get the job done and has turned the program into a joke. They are not the dominant powerhouse they used to be and it's entirely her fault. Fire her and rebuild is the only option at this point, period.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Could it possibly be that Diamond is causing the players not to play well as a team?
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What is the evidence for that? Right now the problem with Diamond is that she is deferring too much. There are stretches where the LVs really need her to be more aggressive and take the game to the opponent, rather than forcing bad passes.

She is getting back and defending (that had been a little suspect early on); she seems very supportive of her team on the bench.

It just seems strange to me that one would want to blame a specific player for a team not playing well over the coaching staff who is charged with making the game plan and MAKING ADJUSTMENTS when things are not going well.
 
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Warlick will have go after this season, I don't care if she was hand picked by Pat. she is not a good coach and she doesn't have the players to get it done. Last night they looked like they didn't have any idea on how to penetrate the zone. Four first half possession's and four turnovers. If they don't do a change in coaching soon they will eventually struggle to be a top 25 team. I still go with my prediction that they will be lucky to win 20 games and the Lady Vols will be a power of the past. Bet Gino is laughing his butt off.
 
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Rickster said:
I don't watch the pressers so I can't comment but there are so many in this forum reporting on what she said that I am not compelled to watch it personally. Lets see if I got this right….

1. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not communicate well during the press conference (just like Steven Hawkings can't communicate well during his press conferences). Hey, some pretty good people do not speak well in front of others but that does not make them incompetent unless they are the HC of the LV's,

2. Holly can't be a good coach because she tries to be honest during the press conference rather than resorting to "coach speak." When someone asks her a question, she tries to answer it with the knowledge she has at the moment rather than deferring until she can go over film and speak with the players,

3. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not recognize all those coaching professionals who post in VolNation and do what they recommend,

4. Holly can't be a good coach because she will not step down like some VolNation posters want her to.
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She has clearly stated in her 2 of the last 3 post game interviews that she does not know what is going on, no clue. She is telling the truth.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
She has clearly stated in her 2 of the last 3 post game interviews that she does not know what is going on, no clue. She is telling the truth.
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Maybe she does know exactly what is going on but she is too embarrassed to share it with the public or it is too detrimental to the teams development to share it so it is just easier to say she does not know. When it comes to personality issues, saying exactly what is going on can be counterproductive if you are still trying to get everyone to pull together. As I've repeatedly said, no one knows for sure what the issues are. Its just easier to blame the coach. Its easy to catch a cameo of a person sitting on the bench with a facial expression and construe it to mean something negative. It just might be a tummy ache but to some who are adept in filling in blanks, it signifies complete and utter disgust with the head coach.
 
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She is sounding more and more like Dooley everyday... throw everyone else under the bus and put zero responsibility on your lack of coaching.... hate to see this happening. Her back is against the wall and I think she knows that if she starts taking ownership, she is all but gone....
 
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This team has the worst chemistry of any I've seen. Is that attributable to Holly? Player cliques? I dunno, but I've arrived at the point that the only person who can fix it is the head coach and she just can't seem to get it done.
 
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Warlick should not have gotten the job in the first place. You don't turn over a program of our stature to somebody with no head coaching experience. But we had a unique situation with PS, that's what we did--and it hasn't worked. Not at all. I do not know why our coaches cannot teach good offensive team basketball--but we can't. It is inexplicable. We are terrible offensively. PS couldn't teach offense and neither can Warlick & Co. Even beyond that, there are other issues with this team--communication, respect, leadership from coaches and players...

DeShields is part of the problem. She seems engaged sometimes and aloof and a bit moody at other times. Whatever her mood or temperament, she has played poorly--that is the bottom line. We need her to play well, but what we're mostly getting lately, with the exception of the auburn game, is 5-15 shooting and turnovers. She is capable of giving the rest of the team some confidence, but that is not happening. More generally, beating a zone defense can be challenging--you need good execution, players with a sense of what needs to be done, some chemistry, lots of ball movement, players flashing into space, etc. We just don't execute well, don't pass well enough--and then we miss lots and lots of shots. Against Arkansas, Russell should have got more than 5 shots--there is no excuse for her not getting the ball more, and yet her abilities are still pretty limited, and Graves can't do much, and our guards can't shoot. What's more, the lineup is always in flux.

We need a general leading this program--somebody with some real chops when it comes to tactics and plays and building trust with the players--and HW is not a general. She does not have the personality of a general. She is someone who was a very supportive assistant to PS for 25 years, and that is not cutting it now. The buck always stops with the coach--that's the way it always is in sports.
 
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willford65 said:
Last night they looked like they didn't have any idea on how to penetrate the zone.
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That's because they don't. This is what is the most mind boggling of all for me. This happens time and time again, yet they keep looking surprise when the zone comes out.

If a coach is unable to prepare a team for a defense that is used by every opponent, spoken about by color commentators, written about in the newspaper, and obsessively harped on by armchair coaches on message boards...then she's not doing any coaching.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
She has clearly stated in her 2 of the last 3 post game interviews that she does not know what is going on, no clue. She is telling the truth.
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This! When a head coach states in her post game press conference that the " players are not doing what I tell them to do" it's time for that coach to step down. There is no more self incriminating remark than that one. I have a co- worker whose daughter plays at another pretty high profile SEC team and played with and against some of our players. He watched the Arkansas game last night and said the Lady Vols do not look like they know what they are doing and that DeShields should be getting 25 shots per game. His daughter played against DeShields in High School.
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
Is Holly the Lady Vols equivalent of Dooley?
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This keeps coming up. Did Dooley have an 80% win rate?; did he win the SEC conference and tournament (i.e. the equivalent being the SEC title game?). Did Dooley lead the team to a successful (tied for conference championship and making it to the regional final) after loosing the teams centerpiece to injury?

We need to be realistic. This season is not going well and the team looks really poor more often than not. But Holly has had success in her prior seasons, far more than Dooley.

Ironically, this team is 100% Holly recruits and she is not managing them well. Something needs to change; the old voices just are not working. At minimum, some shake-up to the assistant staff would seem to be in order to get some new ideas and energy into the locker room.
 
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I think Diamond is the type of player that can make you look very bad or very good. That is what has happened with her this season. Until she gets consistent in her play and tries to get the inside players involved and decides on better shot selection we'll go from good to bad. She has taken more shots than both inside players combined hitting 40 percent while they are hitting close to 60.
If Holly could coach she would design several plays to get them the ball for mid-range shots etc. Her idea is to post them both up in a stationery position so when the post is fed hands of defense create turnovers. I wouldn't mind seeing Russell take some 10 foot shots and certainly Graves is deadly from that range.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think Diamond is the type of player that can make you look very bad or very good. That is what has happened with her this season. Until she gets consistent in her play and tries to get the inside players involved and decides on better shot selection we'll go from good to bad. She has taken more shots than both inside players combined hitting 40 percent while they are hitting close to 60.
If Holly could coach she would design several plays to get them the ball for mid-range shots etc. Her idea is to post them both up in a stationery position so when the post is fed hands of defense create turnovers. I wouldn't mind seeing Russell take some 10 foot shots and certainly Graves is deadly from that range.
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I don't understand why the perimeter players don't cut to the basket when Russell is triple teamed. That happened once in the first half and it resulted in an easy layup for Bashaara. When Graves was not on the court and the defense swarmed on Russell, not once did any of the players cut to the basket. They would all just stand there so they could play hot potato behind the arc before shooting up a brick.
 
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There's no excitement on this team, you can see it. Something in wrong behind the scene's here. CHW says it herself....playing lax, if that is the case she as head coach needs to do something different than she is doing now because it is not working.
 
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madtownvol said:
This keeps coming up. Did Dooley have an 80% win rate?; did he win the SEC conference and tournament (i.e. the equivalent being the SEC title game?). Did Dooley lead the team to a successful (tied for conference championship and making it to the regional final) after loosing the teams centerpiece to injury?

We need to be realistic. This season is not going well and the team looks really poor more often than not. But Holly has had success in her prior seasons, far more than Dooley.

Ironically, this team is 100% Holly recruits and she is not managing them well. Something needs to change; the old voices just are not working. At minimum, some shake-up to the assistant staff would seem to be in order to get some new ideas and energy into the locker room.
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She won because she out talented other teams. They were never a threat to actually compete against the upper echelon teams in the nation. Look at their NCAA results, squeaking through the first couple of rounds then getting out classed by better teams. Also, let's not forget they were a 1 or 2 seed in the tournaments so let's stop making excuses and quit pretending they are an actual NC caliber team because they are not, not even close to one.
 
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landscapingvol said:
She won because she out talented other teams. They were never a threat to actually compete against the upper echelon teams in the nation. Look at their NCAA results, squeaking through the first couple of rounds then getting out classed by better teams. Also, let's not forget they were a 1 or 2 seed in the tournaments so let's stop making excuses and quit pretending they are an actual NC caliber team because they are not, not even close to one.
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What? Take a deep breath and think what about you want to say.

Pointing our Holly's actual winning percentages is not to my mind making excuses.

This year shows that there is more to winning than having talent on the floor. And last year, the LVs, missing Izzy and Russell, had no real post presence; so that took some coaching to work around.

I am not following how being a 1 or 2 seed is evidence that they were not an actual NC caliber in those years.

To clarify, I have become as critical as anyone of Holly's performance this season (though early on I had been a defender). However, if you compare her record to Dooley's, it is not even close. Had Dooley won 80% of his games, there is a good chance he would still be coaching at Tennessee.
 
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