Is it ever Holly's Fault?

#51
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In my humble opinion, Holly has lost this team. You can look in their eyes and see no fire. Look at their movement on the defense, no toughness or desire to stop the other team. On offense they look confused and out of wack. The same people that were shooting threes last year are very timid and unwilling to take shots. She has really lost this team.
 
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Holly has her problems, but I doubt that she and the other coaches told the LV's that when they start the second half they should throw the ball away multiple times, leave Arkansas' Jackson wide open all the time, and take poor shots. Loss is both on Holly and the players.

The team sure misses Burdick. Middleton may be her replacement since Middleton seems to be able to get the ball inside from the top of the key like Burdick used to do.
 
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OLW1948 said:
Holly has her problems, but I doubt that she and the other coaches told the LV's that when they start the second half they should throw the ball away multiple times, leave Arkansas' Jackson wide open all the time, and take poor shots. Loss is both on Holly and the players.

The team sure misses Burdick. Middleton may be her replacement since Middleton seems to be able to get the ball inside from the top of the key like Burdick used to do.
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I think that is false distinction. Of course, Holly staff did not instruct the team to play lousy (and they weren't that much better in the first half but Ark was abysmal).

The issues is can she guide them to play better and more effectively when a team makes an adjustment on them, as Ark did? That certainly did not happen last night.

And the pattern keeps happening; so, we can either assume that a set of highly ranked athletes who are all doing well in the class room are just too stupid, unmotivated, or unable to remember and execute a game plan or that something the coaching staff is doing is not working. You decide.
 
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Can't fire her without paying big severance, since she received a raise & extension after last season. Fans don't care anymore, so let the disaster season play out & see if she has the integrity to resign. :snoring:
 
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madtownvol said:
I think that is false distinction. Of course, Holly staff did not instruct the team to play lousy (and they weren't that much better in the first half but Ark was abysmal).

The issues is can she guide them to play better and more effectively when a team makes an adjustment on them, as Ark did? That certainly did not happen last night.

And the pattern keeps happening; so, we can either assume that a set of highly ranked athletes who are all doing well in the class room are just too stupid, unmotivated, or unable to remember and execute a game plan or that something the coaching staff is doing is not working. You decide.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you. But I believe in personal responsibility, and the players have to step up just as much as the coaches do.
 
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Amb3096 said:
I don't understand why the perimeter players don't cut to the basket when Russell is triple teamed. That happened once in the first half and it resulted in an easy layup for Bashaara. When Graves was not on the court and the defense swarmed on Russell, not once did any of the players cut to the basket. They would all just stand there so they could play hot potato behind the arc before shooting up a brick.
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There is no creativity in the offense. Remember when Notre Dame embarrassed us in Knoxville a couple of years ago? All game they passed the ball into a high post, ran cutters to the basket--and they must have had 20 layups in that game. Smart basketball and embarrassing defense by us--and yet we seldom ever seem to do anything like that ourselves. We do not know try to take defenders out of position.

We did the same back pass from a high post in the Auburn game--Moore got it and passed to a cutting guard for a layup, and when i saw it on the highlights, I said to myself: "Damn, why do we so seldom see plays like that from this team?" And the answer, I think, is that our offensive coaching absolutely sucks. I absolutely think our coaches are clueless. This is a team that struggles to score 55 points most games where UConn is scoring 80 or more. We are terrible offensively, and I blame the coaches first and foremost. I know it's the coaching because we've been terrible offensive for years, dating back to PS last several years. This is the continuity we get with Warlick--clueless offensive basketball.
 
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Rickster said:
You obviously have too much time on your hands if you scoured the web to find one that was not too bad. And by the way, that was not a dig on Hawking but just a statement about many really smart people not being able to speak well in public but then, you know that…you just want to fight!!!
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Just reading your quote...Hawking and Holly are not even in the same universe.:good!:
 
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landscapingvol said:
She won because she out talented other teams. They were never a threat to actually compete against the upper echelon teams in the nation. Look at their NCAA results, squeaking through the first couple of rounds then getting out classed by better teams. Also, let's not forget they were a 1 or 2 seed in the tournaments so let's stop making excuses and quit pretending they are an actual NC caliber team because they are not, not even close to one.
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I don't care what Warlick's winning percentage is. Fact is, we've had more talent than most mediocre SEC teams, and we've never really had a GOOD basketball team with her. Our two Elite Eight games under Warlick were pathetic choke jobs, even counting the injuries last season. We haven't been to the final four in almost a decade. We've basically been beating up on mediocre SEC teams--and now even that is ending. Losing to Arkansas--a team that is not remotely good? We have not had a really good, sound basketball team since Parker left--and even during the Parker years, it was comical how bad we became when she was not in the game to carry us. We have been a badly coached team for a number of years--first in the last several year's of PS's reign and throughout HW's tenure, and things are really starting to come apart now--terrible basketball, only two recruits last year, none this year. We BADLY need some younger, smarter coaches on the come. Warlick is a fairly old coach who spent most of her career as a Vol BB cheerleader, essentially. Completely over her head now. Our staff is not very good either. It's a mess.
 
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Rickster said:
To answer your question, I really don't need anything from you and I doubt you are able to give me anything that I would find useful to help me get through life.

I never ever said Holly should keep her job. What I have said that it is not up to me or other VolNation posters to say she should be fired. That is a management function and should be handled by management.

Additionally, all this hate being spewed after losses just gives the people who really hate the university more ammunition to hurt us in recruiting. One would think that someone older than 15 would know that.

And yes, I am comparing her to anyone who does not speak well in front of others…inclusive. Not everyone can be a keyboard warrior and say what they like regardless of whether it is the truth or lies or whether it is hurtful or not. We leave this up to a select few who have anointed themselves as the supreme authority on whether a person has a job or not.
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All this stuff reminds me of D Dooley's coaching stay @ Tennessee.
 
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Rickster said:
I don't watch the pressers so I can't comment but there are so many in this forum reporting on what she said that I am not compelled to watch it personally. Lets see if I got this right….

1. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not communicate well during the press conference (just like Steven Hawkings can't communicate well during his press conferences). Hey, some pretty good people do not speak well in front of others but that does not make them incompetent unless they are the HC of the LV's,

2. Holly can't be a good coach because she tries to be honest during the press conference rather than resorting to "coach speak." When someone asks her a question, she tries to answer it with the knowledge she has at the moment rather than deferring until she can go over film and speak with the players,

3. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not recognize all those coaching professionals who post in VolNation and do what they recommend,

4. Holly can't be a good coach because she will not step down like some VolNation posters want her to.
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Childish much?
 
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You know what they say -- when the wheels are coming off and nothing seems to be working, you can't fire the whole team, so changing the coach is the only realistic option.
 
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Rickster said:
I don't watch the pressers so I can't comment but there are so many in this forum reporting on what she said that I am not compelled to watch it personally. Lets see if I got this right….

1. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not communicate well during the press conference (just like Steven Hawkings can't communicate well during his press conferences). Hey, some pretty good people do not speak well in front of others but that does not make them incompetent unless they are the HC of the LV's,

2. Holly can't be a good coach because she tries to be honest during the press conference rather than resorting to "coach speak." When someone asks her a question, she tries to answer it with the knowledge she has at the moment rather than deferring until she can go over film and speak with the players,

3. Holly can't be a good coach because she does not recognize all those coaching professionals who post in VolNation and do what they recommend,

4. Holly can't be a good coach because she will not step down like some VolNation posters want her to.
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No, you have it all wrong. Holly can't be a good coach because she sux at coaching!
 
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Rickster said:
To answer your question, I really don't need anything from you and I doubt you are able to give me anything that I would find useful to help me get through life.

I never ever said Holly should keep her job. What I have said that it is not up to me or other VolNation posters to say she should be fired. That is a management function and should be handled by management.

Additionally, all this hate being spewed after losses just gives the people who really hate the university more ammunition to hurt us in recruiting. One would think that someone older than 15 would know that.

And yes, I am comparing her to anyone who does not speak well in front of others…inclusive. Not everyone can be a keyboard warrior and say what they like regardless of whether it is the truth or lies or whether it is hurtful or not. We leave this up to a select few who have anointed themselves as the supreme authority on whether a person has a job or not.
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^ Tell me again how many recruits we have committed for next season?
 
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Rickster said:
Maybe she does know exactly what is going on but she is too embarrassed to share it with the public or it is too detrimental to the teams development to share it so it is just easier to say she does not know. When it comes to personality issues, saying exactly what is going on can be counterproductive if you are still trying to get everyone to pull together. As I've repeatedly said, no one knows for sure what the issues are. Its just easier to blame the coach. Its easy to catch a cameo of a person sitting on the bench with a facial expression and construe it to mean something negative. It just might be a tummy ache but to some who are adept in filling in blanks, it signifies complete and utter disgust with the head coach.
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You are the ultimate excusist... Holly makes over $800k a year and it's her job to fix it! It is all on her!!!
 
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Who cares? I mean honestly, this is getting ridiculous. It's women's basketball.....who cares? It reminds me of the jrotc programs or band programs in high school. They go off and compete, win a championship or competition, and the school is happy during the celebratory pep rally. After the pep rally, no one cares. And, if they lose, it doesn't matter. Pat summit days of glory are over, dominance has been UCONNS for 15 years. It happens. For those of you that care about the lady vols, and I mean REALLY REALLY care, I hope this doesn't offend you, but please get over it. It's not that important anymore. GBO!!!
 
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pasadenavol said:
You are the ultimate excusist... Holly makes over $800k a year and it's her job to fix it! It is all on her!!!
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Granted, I obviously don't have it figured out like the rest of you. I guess your opinions are the only ones that matter and you don't need facts to support your conclusions….just losses. Call me what you want since I don't agree with most of you or how you go about expressing it. It's only slander…..
 
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gule said:
is Rickster just Ivy League in drag?

somebody check out his wall for a grad plague(sp?)
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What does my graduate degree have to do with anything in this forum?

For the record, Ivy League sounds like an intelligent, sensitive person who had an opinion that did not jive with most of the other posters here so they ridiculed her, just like children do, until she left. Is that about right?
 
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SGMVols said:
Best football comparison would be Bill Battle, IMO.
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Bingo: the sound of a nail being struck squarely on the head. This analogy will fly over the heads of most of the posters here, SGMVols, due to their collective youth (no stone throwing here, youth is awesome). Thank you for the perfect comparison.

Coach Battle, a great man, was given the keys to the kingdom (with no head coaching experience) and promptly took the ship down down after a successful run with Dickey's great recruits. Battle couldn't recruit, strategize or motivate = Holly's current situation.

Let's see if Warlick is shown the door after this debacle of a year.

Yes, I was in Neyland when Battle gave away the win to Geogia, the final nail in the coffin that was his short head-coaching career!
 
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Rickster said:
What does my graduate degree have to do with anything in this forum?

For the record, Ivy League sounds like an intelligent, sensitive person who had an opinion that did not jive with most of the other posters here so they ridiculed her, just like children do, until she left. Is that about right?
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Actually, no. She was a sanctimonious, arrogant blowhard who couldn't post a message without invoking her Harvard degree, calling posters idiots and generalizing Tennessee residents as inbred. She left not because she was ridiculed back in return, but because everyone got sick of her aggressiveness. In the one instance of unity on the board, she was put on ignore and had no one to fight with, so she took her ball and went home.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Actually, no. She was a sanctimonious, arrogant blowhard who couldn't post a message without invoking her Harvard degree, calling posters idiots and generalizing Tennessee residents as inbred. She left not because she was ridiculed back in return, but because everyone got sick of her aggressiveness. In the one instance of unity on the board, she was put on ignore and had no one to fight with, so she took her ball and went home.
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I see…..so she was ganged up on and put on ignore which effectively eliminated her dissenting opinion. What happened to mtsuraider06? The same thing?
 
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