Is it Hooker or the "system"?

[apevol]

Hendon is the second best QB in the country right now. Bryce is clearly the best. He’s the best college QB since Cam. The stuff that dude does is insane. I posted this in another thread, but if any other QB in the country played for Bama, Tennessee would have won by 17.

Bryce had 3 shots near the end of regulation to get it done and didn't do ****. Hooker is the best quarterback in America this season.

 

[DD4ME]

It is both. Hooker does a great job reading his presnap options.

Yes both. Heup built a fast car and Hookers is like the Stig setting lap records on any course you place him.

 

[DD4ME]

Bryce had 3 shots near the end of regulation to get it done and didn't do ****. Hooker is the best quarterback in America this season.

They had drops. Both are elite.

 

[LouderVol]

I think it's some combination of both. Milton didnt have near the success Hooker did. We were a decent/good offense with Milton. But we hit a different level with Hooker. He fits this system like a glove.

But at some point in any system you have to make the plays and he does that. His elusiveness isnt system based. He keeps his eyes down field, that isnt system based. He is able to run the plays at the fastest pace in the nation.

Imo everything comes back to some combination. Hooker wasnt good a VT, and our system wasnt bad without Hooker. They just fit each other, and we will need a combination in order to maintain this success.

 

[VolArmy74]

Tua is 6'1
Hurts is 6'1
Murray is 5'11
Lamar Jackson is 6'2
Malik Willis is 6'1
Zack Wilson is 6'2
Mahomes is 6'2
Russell Wilson is 6'

All but Willis are starters in the NFL and they are all athletic. You don't have to be tall as long as you are athletic.

Notice I said under 6 feet tall. They list Young at 6'0 but even the announcers from the game Saturday said he was 5'10 at best when you stood next to him. Right now Murray and Russell Wilson are under 6 feet tall and start in the NFL. There are literally less than 5 QBs in NFL history that were really good players that were under 6 feet tall. Wilson had 1500 yards rushing in his career in college and Murray had over 1000 his junior year alone. BY has 127 rushing yards in his career to date. He's much more of a pocket passer without much size. BY doesn't appear to bring that dimension to the table that could boost his NFL ceiling.

 

[lawgator1]

The system is great but the system is asking Hooker to make some very difficult passes and he continues to make them and on time. Both are very good.

Not sure why any recruit who plays on the offensive side of the ball wouldn't want to play in this system. It allows talented players to use their talents to the fullest.

On this point we agree. I particularly think that QBs interested in having the style of Mahomes would want to strongly consider UT to be developed for the NFL.

 

[butchna]

It definitely hurt Wilson's draft slot. He was picked 75th overall even though his college numbers were sterling. Murray is the very rare exception to be his size and drafted at #1 overall but that was also due to his incredible running ability, he had over 1000 yards rushing his last year at Oklahoma. In NFL history there are something like 3 successful QBs ever who were shorter than 6 feet tall.

Young may join the crowd but NFL teams are usually set in their ways regarding what they want from a QB and that can cause unexpected falls on draft day. If he goes to the combine and is a legitimate 6 feet, he should be okay, even though he's also super skinny, but if he measures out 5'10 or less, as many have suggested, I could see him falling down draft boards. Especially so since Young isn't a runner and only has 127 yards rushing in his entire career to date.

And with his (Wilson) success showing height was a minimal factor, Kyler Murray was FIRST OVERALL and a fellow Heisman winner to boot. They’re going to look at the whole package and he brings it. Depending on who’s drafting where, he’s a first rounder.

 

[BanditVol]

both

 

[butchna]

Notice I said under 6 feet tall. They list Young at 6'0 but even the announcers from the game Saturday said he was 5'10 at best when you stood next to him. Right now Murray and Russell Wilson are under 6 feet tall and start in the NFL. There are literally less than 5 QBs in NFL history that were really good players that were under 6 feet tall. Wilson had 1500 yards rushing in his career in college and Murray had over 1000 his junior year alone. BY has 127 rushing yards in his career to date. He's much more of a pocket passer without much size. BY doesn't appear to bring that dimension to the table that could boost his NFL ceiling.

Brees was 5’11…and Bob Griese. Young’s a beast.

 

[utvolpj]

A great qb in a fantastic system.

 

[Volanta]

It's three things...

1.) Hooker is talented, smart, and values the football
2.) The system works
3.) Heupel, Golesh, and Halzle can flat out coach and develop QB talent

Boom end of discussion you nailed it. I truly believe you out JG in this system and it doesn't work. Hooker is very intelligent and you an see it in his decision making skills and prowess. JG constantly made horrible decisions. Now imagine Dobbs in this system? Look out! Cant wait to see Nico in this system. Point is the QB matters A LOT. A system wont cover up for that.

 

[rocytop2624]

Notice I said under 6 feet tall. They list Young at 6'0 but even the announcers from the game Saturday said he was 5'10 at best when you stood next to him. Right now Murray and Russell Wilson are under 6 feet tall and start in the NFL. There are literally less than 5 QBs in NFL history that were really good players that were under 6 feet tall. Wilson had 1500 yards rushing in his career in college and Murray had over 1000 his junior year alone. BY has 127 rushing yards in his career to date. He's much more of a pocket passer without much size. BY doesn't appear to bring that dimension to the table that could boost his NFL ceiling.

What's a 1" they have shoes that add 2" and young can avoid pressure he is a athletic.

 

[rocytop2624]

Milton will answer alot about coaching up if we see him play again.

 

[T Clifton]

If this has already been mentioned feel free to delete the post.

Josh Heuple's system is to expose what you choose to not defend.

Former Grad Ass. at a D1 aa school to expose my knowledge and age.

Tennessee only runs about 12 different plays.

8 pass/4 run

Hendon Hooker, rb, receivers are all able to read what the defense if giving them and then decide.

Opponents have 2 options on defense.

As Iron Mike said "They all have a plan until they get hit in the mouth."


1. Stop the run and expose your secondary
2. Play deep and give up the run

It takes an offensive genius like Heuple, Spurrier, Kiffin, Riley, etc to do this to teams and actually coach up players to always be ready.

Bottom line Hooker is super talented but his brains are what makes him special. The WR's are a special talented group but their routes are determined by what the defense shows them after the the original play call. That takes brains and trust from hooker and his receivers. RB's have to know the calls, pick up the tough blocks and be expected to know the RPO or go through the line and hit the flat or just float out there.

Total Offensive team effort. Athleticism is helpful but smarts are what make this offense click.

The improvement in this o line has been the rock for this foundation.

 

[kckempf]

If this has already been mentioned feel free to delete the post.

Josh Heuple's system is to expose what you choose to not defend.

Former Grad Ass. at a D1 aa school to expose my knowledge and age.

Tennessee only runs about 12 different plays.

8 pass/4 run

Hendon Hooker, rb, receivers are all able to read what the defense if giving them and then decide.

Opponents have 2 options on defense.

As Iron Mike said "They all have a plan until they get hit in the mouth."


1. Stop the run and expose your secondary
2. Play deep and give up the run

It takes an offensive genius like Heuple, Spurrier, Kiffin, Riley, etc to do this to teams and actually coach up players to always be ready.

Bottom line Hooker is super talented but his brains are what makes him special. The WR's are a special talented group but their routes are determined by what the defense shows them after the the original play call. That takes brains and trust from hooker and his receivers. RB's have to know the calls, pick up the tough blocks and be expected to know the RPO or go through the line and hit the flat or just float out there.

Total Offensive team effort. Athleticism is helpful but smarts are what make this offense click.

The improvement in this o line has been the rock for this foundation.

Something I've enjoyed is seeing the new plays that are out of the regular offense. The drag route for Hyatt from a bunch left for a touchdown and the FB dive from the goal line set come to mind.

 

[T Clifton]

Something I've enjoyed is seeing the new plays that are out of the regular offense. The drag route for Hyatt from a bunch left for a touchdown and the FB dive from the goal line set come to mind.

That's all on Hooker, Hyatt, Keyton, Bru, and Tillman.

I'm not lying. It took me longer than I'd like to admit to figure it out. There's about 12-15 offensive plays called. All those guys can read the defense and make their decisions/still be in sink.

Jalin Hyatt's first TD was an option route(all are). Come across the middle(drag route) is where he started and him and Hendon could see there was no safety help. Hendon is smart and so is the rest of the offense.

Final offensive play was Bru going to the end zone but if he doesn't cut it off and catch it, we'll go to overtime.

He cut it off and all is history.

I'm a nerd who likes to watch the same play 22 times and see what every player does.

 

[kckempf]

That's all on Hooker, Hyatt, Keyton, Bru, and Tillman.

I'm not lying. It took me longer than I'd like to admit to figure it out. There's about 12-15 offensive plays called. All those guys can read the defense and make their decisions/still be in sink.

Jalin Hyatt's first TD was an option route(all are). Come across the middle(drag route) is where he started and him and Hendon could see there was no safety help. Hendon is smart and so is the rest of the offense.

Final offensive play was Bru going to the end zone and if he doesn't catch it, we'll go to overtime.

He cut it off and all is history.

I'm a nerd who likes to watch the same play 22 times and see what every player does.

What was different about Hyatt's route was the close formation left with no side receiver all the way out. The defensive backs looked like they didn't know who was supposed to follow him.

 

[Fullfillmer]

I've had a few back and forths on the board over the last couple of days about whether UT's success is due, entirely or primarily, to Hooker or to "the system" put in place by Huepel & Co. There seem to be two schools of thought: those that want Hooker to win the Heisman say its his mostly if not entirely his ability, while those that hope that this is a long term trend for success for UT over the long haul are hoping its the system and the coaching.

To me it is a bit of both, but I am firmly in the camp that Hooker is a special, once in a blue moon type of talent. I think future teams will get coached differently to match their particular talents. But right now, this season, it is Hooker that gets the credit, imo.

It's both = I think we have a great quarterback and a great system - HH is a great athlete, but he is also a great qb. Those two don't always marry up as perhaps you are aware watching your own team. There are plenty of Ryan Leafs out there, there are very few Peyton Mannings. HH is a phenomenal leader and is super smart with tremendous instincts who clearly understands this offense. On top of that he innately understands the importance of not throwing interceptions and placing the ball where only his receiver has an opportunity to catch it. Bryce Young is in my opinion - is at least his equal mentally and is probably better athletically. I can't recall seeing anyone with Young's quickness and elusiveness and ability to get rid of the ball at the last second avoiding a sack. He is crazy good. Maybe first person drafted kind of good. Back to our guy HH benefits from our system, but our system greatly benefits from HH being in the driver's seat. We have seen horrible quarterback play - this by comparison, is a maestro conducting the New York Philharmonic. It's amazing and fun to watch. It truly is something special that we are not accustomed to seeing. I do think that we will be in good hands when HH hands off the keys to this Maserati to the next driver.

 

[T Clifton]

What was different about Hyatt's route was the close formation left with no side receiver all the way out. The defensive backs looked like they didn't know who was supposed to follow him.

That's the reason I posted.
That's the system.

We are going to run 10-12 sets/same plays

Brains are the difference.

Most all starting receivers can run any route in any offense set.

It's a number or code word.

After the offense (QB,RB,WR's) look at the sideline and get that play, they still have the options to run routes that make sense or call runs that make more sense.

Heuple is teaching 3/4 stars how to play chess on the field.

 

[T Clifton]

JJalin Hyatt had a route that was called to get the first down. Crossing route. Jalin would have taken an outside release if he initially wanted to go deep.....

Motion confused the d.

Him and hooker saw that they were confused and went long.

Can't find a single video so this is the first Hyatt td.

 

[kckempf]

JJalin Hyatt had a route that was called to get the first down. Crossing route. Jalin would have taken an outside release if he initially wanted to go deep.....

Motion confused the d.

Him and hooker saw that they were confused and went long.

Can't find a single video so this is the first Hyatt td.

I didn’t actually notice the change in the route on the first touchdown, which is very cool. What I was trying to describe, poorly, was the second touchdown. I hadn’t seen us use that formation this year and I guess Bama hadn’t either.

 

[Gladiator1]

LG, don't want to offend you, But at this point what difference does it make. Lol couldn't help it

 

[lawgator1]

LG, don't want to offend you, But at this point what difference does it make. Lol couldn't help it

No offense taken. My posting here was more about the future and whether the coaches mold the next QB to fit the system, or change the system to fit the QB, and most importantly will the path that wins out work.

 

[greenbacknative]

CJH has supplied the scheme, and recruited to support that scheme. The staff seem to playcall well. But, if he didn't have Hooker at this time, we would be struggling to find ourselves in the forest. The stars have magically aligned for Heupel and Hooker to come together . Hooker is the trigger man that makes it all happen. So I feel it is 70-30 Hooker.

 

[Gladiator1]

No offense taken. My posting here was more about the future and whether the coaches mold the next QB to fit the system, or change the system to fit the QB, and most importantly will the path that wins out work.

Thanks, I was was referring to a Hillary quote in the PF forum but I've hada few or 12 and was trying to give you a little hard time. Probably bad timing on my part.