Is it Hooker or the "system"?

Also, I have given this a lot of thought and decided to root for you to win the national championship this year. My reasoning:

1) I am truly an SEC fan.
2) Bored by UGA and ALA being last team standing.
3) Will drive Saban crazy.
4) You deserve it. Fan base has certainly earned it.
 
I said I hate to Hooker leave after the season. Our Freshman and sophomores are not the guys who are doing it for us it’s the transfers and JP guys who stayed. I love what we’re doing and want to keep this same energy but I have to know that Heupel can recruit and develop depth. One thing I do know about Heupel is that he can get the most out of his players but I still want to see the vols recruit at the level we did in the 90’s & 00’s.
 
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CJH has supplied the scheme, and recruited to support that scheme. The staff seem to playcall well. But, if he didn't have Hooker at this time, we would be struggling to find ourselves in the forest. The stars have magically aligned for Heupel and Hooker to come together . Hooker is the trigger man that makes it all happen. So I feel it is 70-30 Hooker.
Except Cornbread brought Hooker to Knoxville, not Heupel.

Heupel got Milton and tried to coach him up and we saw more really deep "home run" pass attempts from Milton.

I think Heupel adapted to Hooker's strengths vs Milton by emphasizing Yards After the Catch routes more instead of the long range cannon routes we saw Milton try.

There's plenty of credit for Hendon Hooker. He's a leader, he's bright, he's using what God and defenses give him.

There's plenty of credit also to Josh Heupel for replacing Milton last year and dialing back the deep ball routes.

I don't see why anyone feels the need to give someone "more credit" for success. Just enjoy it and hope Hooker has a great career at this level and the next...... and Heupel adapts his excellent offensive schemes when personnel changes.
 
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Except Cornbread brought Hooker to Knoxville, not Heupel.

Heupel got Milton and tried to coach him up and we saw more really deep "home run" pass attempts from Milton.

I think Heupel adapted to Hooker's strengths vs Milton by emphasizing Yards After the Catch routes more instead of the long range cannon routes we saw Milton try.

There's plenty of credit for Hendon Hooker. He's a leader, he's bright, he's using what God and defenses give him.

There's plenty of credit also to Josh Heupel for replacing Milton last year and dialing back the deep ball routes.

I don't see why anyone feels the need to give someone "more credit" for success. Just enjoy it and hope Hooker has a great career at this level and the next...... and Heupel adapts his excellent offensive schemes when personnel changes.
I know Cornbread brought Hooker here. I just meant that everything fell in place for to bring in CJH and for things to gel so quickly . I don't think Hooker would have the same success under Cornbread's offense.
 
Hooker is one of the most accurate passers in college football. That plus his arm strength makes him elite in the SEC
 
I know Cornbread brought Hooker here. I just meant that everything fell in place for to bring in CJH and for things to gel so quickly . I don't think Hooker would have the same success under Cornbread's offense.
Agreed. But as I said, Heupel seemed to prefer Milton, not Hooker.

Heupel had to adjust to what Hooker brings vs Milton...... and he did.

Hooker had to adjust to what Heupel wanted vs his coach at VTech....... and he did.

Both guys "get it" when it comes to understanding what UT needs to do to win.

Though I'll probably be dead or near dead, I would be thrilled to see Hooker coach after his career and return to the Hill. He's obviously got great leadership qualities and is a good, fast learner.
 
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I didn’t actually notice the change in the route on the first touchdown, which is very cool. What I was trying to describe, poorly, was the second touchdown. I hadn’t seen us use that formation this year and I guess Bama hadn’t either.
Jaylin would have just taken off strait if that was the call. He can out run most db's in college football.

Heuple training/system requires them to start the route and keep reading the d.

Jaylin makes a turn inside to run the same route Keaton did with 9 seconds, but him and Hendon saw no help over the top.
 
It really IS both. Pruitt would have completely wasted Hendon. JG may have actually been decent in Heupel's system, but it would not be like this.

I don’t agree with this.

A QB has to be able to make quick reads in this offense and JG lacked the awareness to do so.

There’s no way Heupel would have started him.
 
What was different about Hyatt's route was the close formation left with no side receiver all the way out. The defensive backs looked like they didn't know who was supposed to follow him.
The routes are optional depending on what the defense is showing you.

Tennesse has 4-5 formations. Everything looks the same. Qb and receivers all know how to analyze the coverage.

That is the "system"

Heuple/Hooker will attack the places you can't cover.

Stop the run, Tennessee will throw it over the top.
Defend the pass, Tennessee will run on your ass.
 
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To answer the OP's question...both plus...we have had woefully thin and weak lines last 5-10 years to block and break defenses open for long runs but, now...wow! and.....our D is getting better, especially line and linebackers and that turns the ball over to the Offense that can score almost at will. Hooker for first Tennessee Heisman sounds really good. A win in GA would seal that deal IMO.
 
I said I hate to Hooker leave after the season. Our Freshman and sophomores are not the guys who are doing it for us it’s the transfers and JP guys who stayed. I love what we’re doing and want to keep this same energy but I have to know that Heupel can recruit and develop depth. One thing I do know about Heupel is that he can get the most out of his players but I still want to see the vols recruit at the level we did in the 90’s & 00’s.
You can’t be following recruiting our 23 class is nice with the best Qb in the country solid overall OL and weapons and a really good defense class but our 24 class is about to be EPIC…
 
You can’t be following recruiting our 23 class is nice with the best Qb in the country solid overall OL and weapons and a really good defense class but our 24 class is about to be EPIC…
That guy is a clown. In the 90's USCe had just joined the SEC and Clemson was a perennial 6-6/7-5 program.

Tennessee could cherry pick South Carolina.

Other than Spurrier there weren't many coaches or teams that were good in the 90's SEC.
 
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I've had a few back and forths on the board over the last couple of days about whether UT's success is due, entirely or primarily, to Hooker or to "the system" put in place by Huepel & Co. There seem to be two schools of thought: those that want Hooker to win the Heisman say its his mostly if not entirely his ability, while those that hope that this is a long term trend for success for UT over the long haul are hoping its the system and the coaching.

To me it is a bit of both, but I am firmly in the camp that Hooker is a special, once in a blue moon type of talent. I think future teams will get coached differently to match their particular talents. But right now, this season, it is Hooker that gets the credit, imo.
It's both. We saw what it was like with another not so ready/good QB, but we saw how limited Hooker was at Virginia Tech. Hooker has made a lot of plays with his feet as far as making adjustments and throws only great QBs make. I want Milton to be our guy next year for him, but I'm not sure he has the Hooker factor that I am thinking Jackson and nico Iamaleava have.
 
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With a good QB we will always have a top 10 to 15 offense. With an absolute stud we're the best offense in the country.
 
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Lawgator1, I am apologizing for being a jerk with you earlier today and yesterday. A little relief from decade of frustration brings out the worst in some of us.
 
If it was the system, Milton would still be our starter. This is almost all in Hooker, he routinely makes some of the most impressive throws you'll ever see. He takes care of the ball incredibly well, he uses his legs to escape pressure and make plays. He also just has a really good feel in the pocket overall, and has really good touch on the ball. Certainly scheme helps, without a doubt, but this is Hooker being one of the best 2 or 3 players in college football.
Don't sell Milton short. I think all he needed was better coaching and I think he has made tremendous progress. Time will tell. Before he got hurt he could throw the ball a mile but wasn't accurate. Supposedly he is much better because of the coaching and now is more accurate. I hope he gets to play the second half of the next game because we're so far ahead.
 
Hendon Hooker runs CJH’s offense as it was meant to be run. But we have actually seen CJH outcoach other coaches. He made Brian Kelly look like a middle school coach. It wouldn’t surprise me if CJH spoke to the asst coaches in the headset Saturday and said wanna watch Saban lose it on the sideline? Watch this punt…. :D:D
Icing on the cake was when Sabin lost it on the sidelines. That was a thing of beauty!
 
Its both. Whatever it is, we have the best QB to run the offense. I'm sure Bryce Young would thrive in this offense. I don't think many other QBs could to this level.

Now Butch had Dobbs and had he recruited a QB who possessed the same skillset instead of Jarrett Guantanomo he wouldn't have left looking like a complete failure
 
It's both but more importantly the system is "new" and will change the game. We haven't had a game changing style or winning style since the 90s. It's gonna be great in Knoxville as long as the group of coaches we have currently stays
 

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