Is Obama really a socialist?

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FenianVol said:
No but Sarah Palin and the state of Alaska seem to be, just ask the oil companies!
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educate yourself a little bit further, then come back and tell us what you've found out about what socialism really is and how Alaska's arrangement with the oil companies has nothing to do with socialism.
 
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MG1968 said:
educate yourself a little bit further, then come back and tell us what you've found out about what socialism really is and how Alaska's arrangement with the oil companies has nothing to do with socialism.
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I am educated, and come from a country with a socialist background, I wont bother telling you where as you are most probably american and therefore likely poorly ducated on geography.

The insinuation of redistrubution of wealth has been the lone reason why mcrage/pain have been using buzzwords like socialism...The oil companies redistribute wealth to alaskans, Palin supports this and according to her and McCain redistribution is socialism ergo she and the state of Alaska practise socialism!

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FenianVol said:
I am educated, and come from a country with a socialist background, I wont bother telling you where as you are most probably american and therefore likely poorly ducated on geography.

The insinuation of redistrubution of wealth has been the lone reason why mcrage/pain have been using buzzwords like socialism...The oil companies redistribute wealth to alaskans, Palin supports this and according to her and McCain redistribution is socialism ergo she and the state of Alaska practise socialism!

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We don't want your socialism. Perhaps you would better served relocatiing back to your country with the socialist background.

Not of all us are "poorly educated" on geography. You seem to be poorly educated on American History. We are a capitalist nation, and wish to remain that way.
 
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FenianVol said:
I am educated, and come from a country with a socialist background, I wont bother telling you where as you are most probably american and therefore likely poorly ducated on geography.
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When claiming to be educated and insinuating that another poster is not, it's a good idea to spell educated correctly. :hi:
 
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therealUT said:
Read up on US Federal Tax codes. Small, unincorporated business owners are taxed on revenue, not net income. So, if your small business brings in $300K in revenue, yet your pay out $200K in operating expenses, as an individual you are taxed as bringing in $300K in personal income.

The alternative minimum tax (AMT) severely hampers small business owners from claiming and itemizing all the expenses they incur from their business.

In effect, most all small and medium sized business owners are taxed as though they bring in over $250K annually in personal income.
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You are the one that needs to read up on individual tax returns. Pay attention to schedule C. :nono:
 
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FenianVol said:
I am educated, and come from a country with a socialist background, I wont bother telling you where as you are most probably american and therefore likely poorly ducated on geography.
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I'm not as "poorly ducated" as you might think and I've always excelled at geography. One of things I liked doing as a kid was seeing how much larger the United States was when compared to any little pissant country in Europe, especially the ones located on little islands.
 
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MG1968 said:
I'm not as "poorly ducated" as you might think and I've always excelled at geography. One of things I liked doing as a kid was seeing how much larger the United States was when compared to any little pissant country in Europe, especially the ones located on little islands.
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I bet you liked the econ lessons even better for that perspective. Socialist Europe: tiny economies, huge unemployment, internationally uncompetitive. Capitalisy USA: huge and still growing economy, low unemployment, the most competitive internationally.
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FenianVol said:
I am educated, and come from a country with a socialist background, I wont bother telling you where as you are most probably american and therefore likely poorly ducated on geography.

The insinuation of redistrubution of wealth has been the lone reason why mcrage/pain have been using buzzwords like socialism...The oil companies redistribute wealth to alaskans, Palin supports this and according to her and McCain redistribution is socialism ergo she and the state of Alaska practise socialism!

Next?
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I'll be next.

I bet about anything I'm better educated than you and it keeps leading me to one question: why did you leave your socialist, uber educated Utopia to come slum in the US?
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FenianVol said:
I am educated, and come from a country with a socialist background, I wont bother telling you where as you are most probably american and therefore likely poorly ducated on geography.
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wake me up when europe produces anything of note in the modern era.
 
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SURFSIDEBEACHVOL said:
My point was the impact on those effected will be 4% only on the amounts over 250K,per what Obama said .Up until that point you will not pay anymore than you are currently paying.
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Like he said small business is based on gross income(revenue) and not net income.

Small business will suffer more than anyone. I can assure you my small business is more than the $250,000 and it just flows downhill from there.

If small business is hit as hard as it looks the $250,000 on a single income will suffer in the end too.
 
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Vol4ever said:
Like he said small business is based on gross income(revenue) and not net income.
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This just isn't true. Many small businesses earning north of $250k actually lose money and never pay taxes. Businesses pay taxes on profits, not gross revenues.

Regardless, the point is still the same. Small business owners and high earners are going to get pounded.

This silly argument that it only impacts a few and those few are only impacted slightly is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would someone tout raising those taxes if it only generated a very tiny bit of incremental revenue? It's a senseless point. High earners are going to be blistered or the impact will be negligible.
 
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anyone who thinks obama will limit his tax increase to those only making over 250K a year is living in a fantasy world.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This just isn't true. Many small businesses earning north of $250k actually lose money and never pay taxes. Businesses pay taxes on profits, not gross revenues.

Regardless, the point is still the same. Small business owners and high earners are going to get pounded.

This silly argument that it only impacts a few and those few are only impacted slightly is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would someone tout raising those taxes if it only generated a very tiny bit of incremental revenue? It's a senseless point. High earners are going to be blistered or the impact will be negligible.
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BPV...is there any truth to the notion that this is a typical outcome of all Democratic tax policies?

Do you think Obama's ideals would lead to a more extreme version of this belief coming to fruition or are they just typical of any Democratic presedential candidate?
 
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blamie said:
BPV...is there any truth to the notion that this is a typical outcome of all Democratic tax policies?

Do you think Obama's ideals would lead to a more extreme version of this belief coming to fruition or are they just typical of any Democratic presedential candidate?
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That would be it.......
 
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blamie said:
BPV...is there any truth to the notion that this is a typical outcome of all Democratic tax policies?

Do you think Obama's ideals would lead to a more extreme version of this belief coming to fruition or are they just typical of any Democratic presedential candidate?
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i'm much more concerned about obama than i was with kerry or clinton. you'll see higher taxes with almost any democrat, but obama is truly scary with his share the weath bs. this is what he is saying now WHEN HE IS TRYING TO GET ELECTED. can you imagine what he will actually do? particurally when the deficit requires that he can't put both his tax plan and his social programs to work?
 
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blamie said:
BPV...is there any truth to the notion that this is a typical outcome of all Democratic tax policies?

Do you think Obama's ideals would lead to a more extreme version of this belief coming to fruition or are they just typical of any Democratic presedential candidate?
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I think it's different in that prior to now, candidates would not have wantonly thrown about phrases like "bottom up economics, and "everybody does better when those at the bottom have some too."

Clinton's tax policies, while tempered by a R congress for much of his tenure, were not of the beat down the high earner mentality.

I just think Obama has a very specific viewpoint of social class and believes that gov't can be the fix for those on the bottom. Self-determination ain't a part of his solution. Gov't is THE solution. That's why I believe he creams many more people than he is letting on and he creams them in a much larger way than he is talking about.
 
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someone, an Obama supporter specifically, explain to me how you grow the economy from the "bottom up"? I don't think it can be done, but obviously the Obamassiah thinks it can.
 
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