Is Saban the best ever?

#127
#127
When he got that job he wasn't a very good coach and I thought him the luckiest sob to live. Told everyone he was not loyal to alasalami. He would be gone as quick as he came in. Never thought it work.

I'm forced to admit I was wrong and that anyone who has done a job to a high degree long enough will GET good at it. I think he got good through this job. The reason I have to say that is because every fault he ever had as a coach he recognized it, tore it up and reinvented his identity. He adapted. That's what makes him good. He was willing to do what it takes and you don't find that very often. So there I said it. Hope he enjoyed it because the real UT is about to take over. How long do you think Butch will continue to allow alasalami to win?
 
#128
#128
IluvdoubleD's said:
When he got that job he wasn't a very good coach and I thought him the luckiest sob to live. Told everyone he was not loyal to alasalami. He would be gone as quick as he came in. Never thought it work.

I'm forced to admit I was wrong and that anyone who has done a job to a high degree long enough will GET good at it. I think he got good through this job. The reason I have to say that is because every fault he ever had as a coach he recognized it, tore it up and reinvented his identity. He adapted. That's what makes him good. He was willing to do what it takes and you don't find that very often. So there I said it. Hope he enjoyed it because the real UT is about to take over. How long do you think Butch will continue to allow alasalami to win?
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Yeah it's not like he won a natty at LSU. Not like he built Michigan State into a top 10 team. Good grief
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
When he got that job he wasn't a very good coach and I thought him the luckiest sob to live. Told everyone he was not loyal to alasalami. He would be gone as quick as he came in. Never thought it work.

I'm forced to admit I was wrong and that anyone who has done a job to a high degree long enough will GET good at it. I think he got good through this job. The reason I have to say that is because every fault he ever had as a coach he recognized it, tore it up and reinvented his identity. He adapted. That's what makes him good. He was willing to do what it takes and you don't find that very often. So there I said it. Hope he enjoyed it because the real UT is about to take over. How long do you think Butch will continue to allow alasalami to win?
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Even when you admit how wrong you are, you still come off like a guy who's never watched a game of football in his entire life.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
When he got that job he wasn't a very good coach and I thought him the luckiest sob to live. Told everyone he was not loyal to alasalami. He would be gone as quick as he came in. Never thought it work.

I'm forced to admit I was wrong and that anyone who has done a job to a high degree long enough will GET good at it. I think he got good through this job. The reason I have to say that is because every fault he ever had as a coach he recognized it, tore it up and reinvented his identity. He adapted. That's what makes him good. He was willing to do what it takes and you don't find that very often. So there I said it. Hope he enjoyed it because the real UT is about to take over. How long do you think Butch will continue to allow alasalami to win?
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Allow Alabama to win? I dont know which is dumber, that or your idiotic alasalami joke.
 
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#137
Absolutely not. The man did well at Alabama and LSU??? HUGE surprise. How did he do at Michigan state? meh bout .500

Best coach ever is Bill Snyder who turned around the historically worst team in CFB into one of the best.....twice.
 
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ellisjb0 said:
Absolutely not. The man did well at Alabama and LSU??? HUGE surprise. How did he do at Michigan state? meh bout .500

Best coach ever is Bill Snyder who turned around the historically worst team in CFB into one of the best.....twice.
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Michigan State was strapped by sanctions when he took over. They had gone 5 years without a winning season. He had a winning % of .5847 in East Lansing.

LSU had 2 winning seasons in 11 years before Saban arrived. They hadn't won the SEC since 1988. Saban won the SEC in his second season.

Alabama had only had one winning season in 4 years before Saban arrived, and severe sanctions had just ended the year before. He made the SECCG in year 2 and went unbeaten and won the national title in year 3.

Let's not pretend that any of those programs were world-beaters at the time he took over.

And while I sincerely admire Billy Snyder, and fully recognize how god-awful KSU was when he took over, this talk about how he "turned them into one of the best" is a bit of a stretch. He has a total winning % of .6559, which is really good, but not anywhere close to the top guys. He's also coached for 24 seasons and has a grand total of 2 conference titles to his name. Snyder has a very good resume, and is a deserved hall-of-famer, but he is not the best college football coach of all-time. He's not really all that close.
 
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ellisjb0 said:
Absolutely not. The man did well at Alabama and LSU??? HUGE surprise. How did he do at Michigan state? meh bout .500

Best coach ever is Bill Snyder who turned around the historically worst team in CFB into one of the best.....twice.
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This guy gets it.
 
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#140
It's funny to look at the contrast between all the Bill Snyder love based not on record but on context, and the total lack of context people use when looking at the Michigan State and LSU teams Saban took over--or the Stanford team that Harbaugh did.
 
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bamawriter said:
Michigan State was strapped by sanctions when he took over. They had gone 5 years without a winning season. He had a winning % of .5847 in East Lansing.

LSU had 2 winning seasons in 11 years before Saban arrived. They hadn't won the SEC since 1988. Saban won the SEC in his second season.

Alabama had only had one winning season in 4 years before Saban arrived, and severe sanctions had just ended the year before. He made the SECCG in year 2 and went unbeaten and won the national title in year 3.

Let's not pretend that any of those programs were world-beaters at the time he took over.

And while I sincerely admire Billy Snyder, and fully recognize how god-awful KSU was when he took over, this talk about how he "turned them into one of the best" is a bit of a stretch. He has a total winning % of .6559, which is really good, but not anywhere close to the top guys. He's also coached for 24 seasons and has a grand total of 2 conference titles to his name. Snyder has a very good resume, and is a deserved hall-of-famer, but he is not the best college football coach of all-time. He's not really all that close.
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Even Les Miles won a championship at LSU. Don't act like it was Vanderbilt.
 
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bamawriter said:
Michigan State was strapped by sanctions when he took over. They had gone 5 years without a winning season. He had a winning % of .5847 in East Lansing.

LSU had 2 winning seasons in 11 years before Saban arrived. They hadn't won the SEC since 1988. Saban won the SEC in his second season.

Alabama had only had one winning season in 4 years before Saban arrived, and severe sanctions had just ended the year before. He made the SECCG in year 2 and went unbeaten and won the national title in year 3.

Let's not pretend that any of those programs were world-beaters at the time he took over.

And while I sincerely admire Billy Snyder, and fully recognize how god-awful KSU was when he took over, this talk about how he "turned them into one of the best" is a bit of a stretch. He has a total winning % of .6559, which is really good, but not anywhere close to the top guys. He's also coached for 24 seasons and has a grand total of 2 conference titles to his name. Snyder has a very good resume, and is a deserved hall-of-famer, but he is not the best college football coach of all-time. He's not really all that close.
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ill disagree. Kansas and KSU have to fight for scraps after their state gets raped by bigger programs (mainly OK). 2016-75th nationally in recruiting
2015-55th
2014-49th
2013-61st
2012-75th
.......you see where im going with this.

Now you will probably point out Saban's recruiting prowess. At LSU and Alabama, outside of Florida, Cali, Texas, he was in the most fertile of college football recruiting grounds and had some of the best recruiters in the nation on those staffs.

not to mention the coordinators he has had at both LSU and Bama. I'm not saying he's a bad coach at all. He's a great coach who wound up at LSU and BAMA at the right time with the right staff
 
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bamawriter said:
LSU had 2 winning seasons in 11 years before Saban arrived. They hadn't won the SEC since 1988. Saban won the SEC in his second season
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This must be some kind of Alabama math.

LSU won 7 in 95
10 in 96
9 in 97

And they were co champions in 96 and 97. Let's not act like they were Vandy or something.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
When he got that job he wasn't a very good coach and I thought him the luckiest sob to live. Told everyone he was not loyal to alasalami. He would be gone as quick as he came in. Never thought it work.

I'm forced to admit I was wrong and that anyone who has done a job to a high degree long enough will GET good at it. I think he got good through this job. The reason I have to say that is because every fault he ever had as a coach he recognized it, tore it up and reinvented his identity. He adapted. That's what makes him good. He was willing to do what it takes and you don't find that very often. So there I said it. Hope he enjoyed it because the real UT is about to take over. How long do you think Butch will continue to allow alasalami to win?
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You are high as a kite. College programs love to give coaches a 8year/$32M for not being a very good coach. Did you happen to be asleep during the powerhouse building project he completed at LSU?
 
#148
#148
Dantonio is doing a MUCH better job at MSU than Saban ever did.

In fact, I would go as far to say that MSU has the best football/basketball coaching tandem in Dantonio/Izzo. The best tandem i can think of in a loooong time
 
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