Is Saban the best ever?

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BearCat204 said:
I think Meyer will catch him. He has a juggernaut going at OSU and in a weaker conference.
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Well, right now, they're sitting at careers of:

191–60–1, 7 conference championships, 7 Division championships (9 if we're counting ties), 10–8 in bowls, and 5 National Championships(Saban)



154–27, 5 conference championships, 6 Division champions, 10–2 in bowls, and 3 National Championships (Meyer)
 
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After looking at his numbers: of Saban's 9 years at Alabama, they've won the West or been tied for 1st 6 out of those 9 (and one of those other 3 they still won a national championship...meaning 7 of those 9 seasons Saban and Alabama either won the national title, were in the running for the national title until the conference championship or playoff, or were a game away from a shot at the national championship).
 
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TrueOrange said:
Where are you getting 7 Conference Titles for Meyer? He won 5 (and that's if you're including the two Mountain West conference titles in this...but if you're doing that, Saban's year as a HC at Toledo when they won the MAC in 1990 would need to count, upping his number to 4).
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You're right. I messed up on Meyer's conference championships. He did have one undefeated year where they were ineligible for the Big 10 title...but alas, the Leaders Division Champion threw me off.

Meyer:
2003 MWCC
2004 MWCC
2006 SECC NC
2008 SECC NC
2014 B10C NC

Saban (first 14 years):
1990 MACC
2001 SECC :sick:
2003 SECC NC
2009 SECC NC

bamawriter said:
You shorted Saban a conference and a national title, and over-credited Meyer two conference titles.
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That was a test. Based on your math correction, I have exposed you as a non-Bammer (I accidentally only counted the first 13 years. I'm "working").
 
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salutethehill said:
154-27 is incredible
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Both are, honestly.


Saban's record is slightly weighed down by how bad Michigan State was in the 90s (probably why it became such a big deal when he got to 9-2 there that LSU saw it and hired him).

If you take those years out his losses drop down to 36.
 
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BearCat204 said:
But in college, IMO, recruiting is just as much a part of coaching that the X's and O's are.
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Maybe, but in some programs - if they don't have a recruiting-rich state (like FL, TX, GA, or CA), a larger brand name like a UT, UGA, Southern Cal, etc, or a history of winning and championships like the Nebraska's and the Alabama's - they have to make do with what they can get/bring in.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Maybe, but in some programs - if they don't have a recruiting-rich state (like FL, TX, GA, or CA), a larger brand name like a UT, UGA, Southern Cal, etc, or a history of winning and championships like the Nebraska's and the Alabama's - they have to make do with what they can get/bring in.
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Understood, but what was bammers recruiting looking like during the Shula years?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Understood, but what was bammers recruiting looking like during the Shula years?
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Shula recruited over 3 years (a 2004 class, a 2005 class, and a 2006 class)

Rivals: 24, 18, 11

Scout: 19, 16, 18

ESPN: 18 (their scouting coverage didn't begin until 2006)



(Granted, I'm not arguing that Snyder is/isn't better than Saban. This is also a school with much more recognizable brand name, great legacy/history, and numerous trophies to sell kids on in a given year.)
 
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golfballs said:
He's the best at getting the most out of his players
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I think he and Missouri's last coach, Pinkel, have to be up there if I were making some sort of list on coaches at schools that couldn't regularly recruit the same levels of great players, but they were able to get the most out of the ones that came / were available to them

(Now that I think about it, both kind of also brought their schools up from the gutter into some actual relevancy too)


Vol8188 said:
And he's had the greatest turn around of any program ever.
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Unfortunately, once he leaves, that program's likely going right back to where it once was, without the right coaching hire.
 
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To truly understand the magnitude of Bill Snyder's work, one must come to grips with just how historically bad Kansas State football was. Prior to his becoming head coach in 1989, Kansas State was, drum roll please, DEAD LAST in winning percentage (.37647, with only 300 wins in 850 games) (I-A Winning Percentage 1869-1988). He transformed the armpit of college football into a program that finished in the top ten in both major polls six times between 1995 and 2002. No, he never won a national championship, but nobody has ever taken such a perennially downtrodden program to such dizzying heights.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
To truly understand the magnitude of Bill Snyder's work, one must come to grips with just how historically bad Kansas State football was. Prior to his becoming head coach in 1989, Kansas State was, drum roll please, DEAD LAST in winning percentage (.37647, with only 300 wins in 850 games) (I-A Winning Percentage 1869-1988). He transformed the armpit of college football into a program that finished in the top ten in both major polls six times between 1995 and 2002. No, he never won a national championship, but nobody has ever taken such a perennially downtrodden program to such dizzying heights.
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Before he took over an article was written (ESPN maybe?) calling them the worst program of all time. They'd had back to back win less seasons also.
 
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BearCat204 said:
So like Vandy of the BigXII?
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But, yes, up until then, KSU was almost the sole bottom dweller in the conference up until around the 80s. The 80s at least turned into KSU and Missouri fighting it out for the bottom spot (with KU dropping in a little), and the 90s (since KSU had Snyder) pretty much saw Missouri/Ok St/Iowa St fighting over the Big 8's bottom spot.

Until the late 90s, when it became Baylor definitely as the bottom team in the merged conference...with mostly Missouri fighting them for the bottom spot up until its own rise from the cellar started around 2002/2003.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Shula recruited over 3 years (a 2004 class, a 2005 class, and a 2006 class)

Rivals: 24, 18, 11

Scout: 19, 16, 18

ESPN: 18 (their scouting coverage didn't begin until 2006)



(Granted, I'm not arguing that Snyder is/isn't better than Saban. This is also a school with much more recognizable brand name, great legacy/history, and numerous trophies to sell kids on in a given year.)
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Interesting.
 
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UF American history class is currently studying Kellen Kinslow II's, "I'm a soldier" speech



Whoopsie....wrong thread. This goes in the Tabor discussion
 
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i think it's safe to say you can't have this discussion w/out Saban being one of the first couple of names mentioned. you're going to have coaches from ND's history, OU, Nebraska, Bama, Michigan, OSU...FSU, PSU....and i'll be a home and throw Neyland in there.

but the top of that roster is reserved for just a handful of names, and Saban and Bryant will both be sitting at that table.
 
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