Is the extortion of an allied country to investigate a political opponent an impeachable offense by the President?

Is the extortion of an allied country to investigate a political opponent an impeachable offense?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 25 61.0%

  • No.

    Votes: 16 39.0%

  • Undecided.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    41
#302
#302
Septic said:
The candidate is a US citizen. The president targeted a US citizen in order to maintain power.
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This is RICH coming from you.....Sounds exactly what the Dims did to Trump in 2015....Obama ordered the hit to get dirt on him...a US citizen....to maitain power when Hillary would be next......you know her turn.
 
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#303
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NEOCON said:
So u are ok with the Bidens possibly being corrupt and the public not knowing?
Isn’t it the presidents job to protect the American citizen?
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Yep, they're all just fine & dandy with their own corrupt ways...as long as they get to stay in power.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
You keep digging and there's nothing there you dolt. You believe the Dim lies & are gullible to it.
It's not our fault you're this silly cray cray...
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Facts don't cease to exist because youve chosen to ignore them. The testimony today and going forward is evidence of your delusional understanding of reality.

Seriously though, I thought you guys were rooting for an impeachment vote? How it's going to "backfire"? Wish you guys would come to a consensus and stop whining, do you want the 'dims' to do it or don't you?
 
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NEOCON said:
So u are ok with the Bidens possibly being corrupt and the public not knowing?
Isn’t it the presidents job to protect the American citizen?
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Lol, I don't GAF about Biden - he can rot in jail for all I care. But doing corrupt ass sht and pointing out you were doing it just to save America from corruption is the worst fuqing defense ever.
 
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MontyPython said:
ex·tor·tion

noun

the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
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How about a couple of related questions.

1) Should a politician and his/her family be able to trade on his or her position? In other words should they be able to do what someone in business legally can't ... like insider trading on knowledge not known to others at the time or the ability to influence legislation or regulation for campaign contributions, "charitable" contributions, or jobs for family members ... otherwise known as bribes? Remember your original question is about appearances, and that defines a lucrative job for a know nothing son of an influential father.

2) Should we give away money to other countries with no strings and no accountability either in how the money is used or how that country conducts itself? If we know that entities within the country are attempting to bribe our politicians, should we still hand over money with no accountability asked? What if the gift of foreign aid is/was influenced by taking care of fortunate sons ... you know ... the ones CCR used to sing about?

I'm assuming that you'd have a problem with the Russians (for example) sending over a team of FBI type investigators with full legal rights to look into corruption that they believed originated in this country, so who exactly do you think would investigate bribery originating in Ukraine if not the Ukrainians themselves? Funny how draining the swamp takes a left turn when a member of another party is involved. We've got a corruption problem in DC that will never be cleaned up without starting somewhere. Inhabitants of the capitol are making millions on tours in congress; and they are so secure in doing so, they aren't even bothering to hide it; we as a country should be ashamed.
 
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Septic said:
Facts don't cease to exist because youve chosen to ignore them. The testimony today and going forward is evidence of your delusional understanding of reality.

Seriously though, I thought you guys were rooting for an impeachment vote? How it's going to "backfire"? Wish you guys would come to a consensus and stop whining, do you want the 'dims' to do it or don't you?
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Today's Testimony was a farce and it made a laughing stock out of the Dims...they only showed opinions.
Those guys testifying today had their feelings hurt. They're the ones who want to set foreign policy. They don't want to keep policy made by the President so they think they can undo an election by throwing him out of Office.
 
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Septic said:
Facts don't cease to exist because youve chosen to ignore them. The testimony today and going forward is evidence of your delusional understanding of reality.

Seriously though, I thought you guys were rooting for an impeachment vote? How it's going to "backfire"? Wish you guys would come to a consensus and stop whining, do you want the 'dims' to do it or don't you?
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Don’t care.
It will hit the Senate right before election time.
Schiff will get called.
It will drag out and Trump will only gain votes as the public gets tired of it and the narrative shows how damn shady the Dems are.

He will get rejected and Haley will run and win in 2024. We will get atleast one more justice, maybe two and even possibly 3.

By the time you guys get back into office we will own the courts and u guys won’t be able to get any crazy laws passed.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Sounds exactly what the Dims did to Trump in 2015....Obama ordered the hit to get dirt on him...a US citizen....to maitain power when Hillary would be next......you know her turn.
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I can't hear you over the sound of your argument defeating itself. Congratulations on having your bar of acceptance for Trump's actions exactly at the level of your outrage over Obama's.

Cognitive dissonance my dude.
 
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Septic said:
Lol, I don't GAF about Biden - he can rot in jail for all I care. But doing corrupt ass sht and pointing out you were doing it just to save America from corruption is the worst fuqing defense ever.
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It’s not a defense it’s a question.

Let’s not try to play mind readers. That’s beyond my skill set.

I just asked a straight question.

Shouldn’t we know? What if it was reversed? Shouldn’t we know about Trump?
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Today's Testimony was a farce and it made a laughing stock out of the Dims...they only showed opinions.
Those guys testifying today had their feelings hurt. They're the ones who want to set foreign policy. They don't want to keep policy made by the President so they think they can undo an election by throwing him out of Office.
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Which policy made by the president, the state departments official policy or the backroom extortion deals being foisted by Rudy 'the lap dog' Giuliani?
 
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NEOCON said:
It’s not a defense it’s a question.

Let’s not try to play mind readers. That’s beyond my skill set.

I just asked a straight question.

Shouldn’t we know? What if it was reversed? Shouldn’t we know about Trump?
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Are you familiar with the term "fruit from a poison tree"? At what point would you feel it's acceptable for the government to dig up dirt on you in order to limit your career?
 
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Septic said:
I can't hear you over the sound of your argument defeating itself. Congratulations on having your bar of acceptance for Trump's actions exactly at the level of your outrage over Obama's.

Cognitive dissonance my dude.
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I'm sorry I can't fix your kind of stupid......you'll just have to remain a loser for another 5-6 years....enjoy. :):)
 
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Septic said:
Which policy made by the president, the state departments official policy or the backroom extortion deals being foisted by Rudy 'the lap dog' Giuliani?
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The main problem that I see is that bow tie and the other butthurt pencil pushing desk jockey is that they got some of their power usurped. Trump sent Rudy on an end around on the elitist office cats.
 
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Septic said:
Are you familiar with the term "fruit from a poison tree"? At what point would you feel it's acceptable for the government to dig up dirt on you in order to limit your career?
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I think the at what point answer lies way down the road from “did a vp use his position to get his son a job he shouldn’t have.”

I mean aunt Becky is about to go to jail for a lot less.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The main problem that I see is that bow tie and the other butthurt pencil pushing desk jockey is that they got some of their power usurped. Trump sent Rudy on an end around on the elitist office cats.
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"an end run" around the ambassadors.

Why would he need his lap dog to do that?

Now your getting it...
 
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NEOCON said:
I think the at what point answer lies way down the road from “did a vp use his position to get his son a job he shouldn’t have.”

I mean aunt Becky is about to go to jail for a lot less.
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Its not relevant. Doing bad sht is Not an excuse to do more bad sht. This isn't that difficult of a concept.

Whataboutism isn't a valid defense.
 
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Septic said:
Its not relevant. Doing bad sht is Not an excuse to do more bad sht. This isn't that difficult of a concept.

Whataboutism isn't a valid defense.
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So the president doesn’t have a sworn oath to protect and to serve the us of America?
 
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