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Players contract with schools that last X years. Also have buyout clauses that the player or new school has to pay before player is released.

Basically, make the CFB setup the same as the NFL. CBA, player unions, salary caps, etc. players can sign an NIL all they want, but with a CBA, they are playing for the school they have a contract with or someone is buying them out.
 
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easttnbuck said:
They can cap NIL but it would have to be thru a different avenue than NCAA. I doubt it will happen tho, but the transfer portal stuff they can absolutely do something about
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They can’t do anything about either under the current rules because the Supreme Court has said so. The only way I can see it happening is if the players become employees under contract to the university and are paid by the university. A contract could limit transfers. Even at that though, they can’t cap or limit NIL. That’s a separate entity that the players can negotiate like any professional athlete can.
 
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Delmar said:
They can’t do anything about either under the current rules because the Supreme Court has said so. The only way I can see it happening is if the players become employees under contract to the university and are paid by the university. A contract could limit transfers. Even at that though, they can’t cap or limit NIL. That’s a separate entity that the players can negotiate like any professional athlete can.
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Change the portal date to September 15th. I don’t agree with everything the ncaa does but there has to be some sort of rules and structure.
 
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C-south said:
Change the portal date to September 15th. I don’t agree with everything the ncaa does but there has to be some sort of rules and structure.
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The rules and structure is around what is beneficial to students. Not football programs.
 
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C-south said:
So you need a portal to transfer as a student?
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I believe the transfer portal dates are centered around being able to enroll for the next semester. Football players are still currently students.

Would a mid Sept transfer portal be viable for a football player? Or would it force them to miss the fall semester? I'm just saying anything that goes to courts and limits an athlete is a losing case.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I believe the transfer portal dates are centered around being able to enroll for the next semester. Football players are still currently students.

Would a mid Sept transfer portal be viable for a football player? Or would it force them to miss the fall semester? I'm just saying anything that goes to courts and limits an athlete is a losing case.
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It would force them to make a difficult decision with actual repercussions. Not sure why the portal and academic transfer window have to be the same.
 
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Athletic programs can no longer obligate players to stay with the university. But NIL orgs write contracts, and it is legal for contracts to include time obligations.
 
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FanDude said:
Athletic programs can no longer obligate players to stay with the university. But NIL orgs write contracts, and it is legal for contracts to include time obligations.
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Yes, but other schools will instruct their NIL collective NOT to write time obligations in and give the players more freedom to transfer which they obviously prefer.

You hurt your own recruiting by creating an NIL like that so you'd better be prepared to pay at a premium for the privilege of locking in a player.
 
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NIL is out of hand and not really being used as its intended to be
I'd sure like to see what ROI is being made. I'd be surprised if but a handful of players have a "brand" large enough to make them high 6,7 figures off their image.
Deion sons, and Arch do as they have famous family members they can be in nationwide commercials selling product
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
NIL is out of hand and not really being used as its intended to be
I'd sure like to see what ROI is being made. I'd be surprised if but a handful of players have a "brand" large enough to make them high 6,7 figures off their image.
Deion sons, and Arch do as they have famous family members they can be in nationwide commercials selling product
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The thing of it is, everyone knows NIL is just a smokescreen for pay-for-play. And almost none of these athletes - NONE - have a brand worth a damn. Not even the big famous five star guys. Their supposed "brands" have no value. And if they did, the supposedly aggrieved players would have left their college football programs and simply made money off their NIL while they prepared for the NFL. They would have capitalized on their amazing brand equity by cashing in with sponsorships and product advertisements. Raked in that big endorsement money while they trained, or competed in some other format.

But they didn't. And they won't. WHAT A MYSTERY. Except it's not remotely a mystery. Because the reality is that none of their brands are worth a damn until they put on orange and white, or crimson and white, or blue and maize. The school colors, the school brand, that's what makes them worth the money they're paid. They aren't paid because of their identity or their brand, they're paid because of who they play for. The school brands are what draw the money.

NIL is just the wafter-thin excuse the power players have come up with to justify paying them that money. At least, until the whole thing rots under the weight of it, which is what's happening now. The excuse will fall apart soon enough, and then folks will just be paying people to perform, and that'll be that.
 
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GAVol said:
The talent fee goes towards revenue sharing from the athletic department. That’sa different animal from NIL.
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If you buy season Tix and pay the talent fee expecting certain players (talent) to be on the field but some transfer what recourse do you have? What are you guaranteed by paying this talent fee?
 
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easttnbuck said:
They can cap NIL but it would have to be thru a different avenue than NCAA. I doubt it will happen tho, but the transfer portal stuff they can absolutely do something about
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How, exactly, is it legal to cap how much money people can make from private business deals to which the school is not a party?
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
How, exactly, is it legal to cap how much money people can make from private business deals to which the school is not a party?
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How is it legal to use someone else’s property to make private business deals without the property owner having any control?
 
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Binding Legal Contract documents for every player. They want to make big money at an early age? No different than signing a commitment to one of our great military branches at 18yrs old.
 
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NIL is not what is causing all of this. The Portal is. Even if NIL didn't exist, you'd have guys leaving all the time for all sorts of reasons (better under the table offer, more playing time, etc.).

The changing of the transfer rules are having way more of an impact on the game than NIL. Guys have been getting paid to play for a very long time. The difference is that they aren't locked in to a program like they used to be.
 
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TN Volunteers. said:
Since NIL is not going away, what rules does the NCAA need to implement into place. Their probably needs to be a salary cap, but are teams going to have a different salary cap. It would be weird if Tennessee had the same amount of money to use for recruiting as Vandy. Should the schools nil money come from donations or from revenue of tv rights, stadium, etc. There should also be contracts because everyone is basically a free agent every offseason with the transfer portal. I don’t like all of this because college football is becoming almost an NFL junior but it is the new way.
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The Supreme Court ruled you CANNOT limit athletes ability to make as much money as possible off their Name, Image, Likeness. There is no cap that can be put on it and collectives cannot put money in the contracts without knowledge of what someone will pay for the players NIL.

As far as portal, its against the law to limit players ability to transfer.

these are laws and the NCAA or no body off oversight can alter them.
 
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Then you promise these kids the moon, then crawfish on the deal. In the end all parties suffer including us.
 
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Golfprovol said:
What in the hell gives you the idea he doesn't know what to do? I mean actual evidence not some "i believe" speculation.
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Could’ve swore this forum was all about offering commentary & opinions. Guess one needs to be a “golf pro” to talk football.

My opinion is from knowing pressure has been applied by some important players and their associates for Heupel to make staff changes as part of them remaining along with providing details on how he plans to get the offense cleaned up in a significant way. Like a lot of head coaches, I doubt Heupel is fond of being put in somewhat of a box.

You’re way off base if you don’t think I’m pulling for him in a major way. I’d love for JH to have long term, high level success here.
 
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LWSVOL said:
The Supreme Court ruled you CANNOT limit athletes ability to make as much money as possible off their Name, Image, Likeness. There is no cap that can be put on it and collectives cannot put money in the contracts without knowledge of what someone will pay for the players NIL.

As far as portal, its against the law to limit players ability to transfer.

these are laws and the NCAA or no body off oversight can alter them.
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Then make them sign contracts like professional players do. Want an nil.deal l, sign here
 
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easttnbuck said:
Then make them sign contracts like professional players do. Want an nil.deal l, sign here
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You mean make them professional athletes and no longer "student athletes?"

You won't be able to make them go to school at pro athletes because you didn't hire them to be students, you hired them to play ball.

That's fine. We can sign a 30yo to play for us. You're good with that?
 
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School? How many are attending class now these days ? We pay the people to do their online studies. Semi pro not professional
 
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brockytop said:
Could’ve swore this forum was all about offering commentary & opinions. Guess one needs to be a “golf pro” to talk football.

My opinion is from knowing pressure has been applied by some important players and their associates for Heupel to make staff changes as part of them remaining along with providing details on how he plans to get the offense cleaned up in a significant way. Like a lot of head coaches, I doubt Heupel is fond of being put in somewhat of a box.

You’re way off base if you don’t think I’m pulling for him in a major way. I’d love for JH to have long term, high level success here.
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"My opinion is from knowing pressure has been applied by some important players and their associates for Heupel to make staff changes" so say this in the post instead of making a generational statement that seems like it has zero support. And WHO these important players?
 
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