Is the upheaval of college sports—especially football—the comeuppance…

[CNCVol88]

Bama doesn’t know how to recruit or manage talent? Florida? Both teams have more talent than us LOL.

The other problem: all three coaches you named have had players drafted, including a first rounder. Not arguing they are great coaches because those were not players they recruited, but it still counts when they had them for a year or two under their belts.

We don't know yet if modern bama knows how to manage and develop talent at this level. Their coach came from the West Coast and has never had the level of competition he does now.

Florida under bully Napier hasn't shown to this point they do know how to develop and manage talent. 6-6 record this year shows it. Lagway is good though so we probably will be embarrassed by them in the swamp again next year.

Josh heupel has had 4 years under his belt now and we are still middle of the pack SEC in recruiting. His record got worse every year at UCF. while it got better this year, that's because Rodney garners defensive line kept us in games that Josh huepel's solved offense couldn't. There are patterns to be recognized and not many of them are good right now.

 

[GAVol]

It’s going to get worse for fan expectations because all the player movement is going to cause parity which is going to mean it’s a lot harder to maintain elite status. Really good teams might lose 2 or 3 times and we’re going to see more teams come out of nowhere to win 9+ because rosters that used to take 2-3 years to fix can now find quick bandaids. (See Tennessee in 2021-2022). We’ll also see a team or two have tough offseasons and become FSU.

 

[CNCVol88]

Nothing easier in sports fandom than to be a coach killer.

I've been pretty positive on huepel mostly. I've been pretty positive on the team mostly but it's clear there are glaring issues that huepel is refusing to fix. It's a lot easier to just pretend like there's nothing wrong until we lose to Florida, bama, UGA, and another we aren't supposed to drop next year

 

[Golfprovol]

10 wins in a pretty favorable schedule and still dropped to a 6-6 Arkansas team and got embarrassed by teams that know how to recruit and manage talent.

And let's be real, we aren't complaining about the portal in basketball and baseball because Barnes and Tony V know how to manage the talent and don't have dead weight coaches like Kelsey Pope, willie Martinez and Glen Ellarbee around them.

Actual proof that those coaches are dead weight? Not some "I believe" speculation and certainly not some I have read so many damn posts on here saying the same thing.

Was our secondary not the most improved unit this year? We played the team with the most talented roster ever paid for.

Do you think Karl Malobe feels embarrassed cause he lost to MJ twice? NOPE because he lost to arguably the best team ever.

 

[CNCVol88]

It’s going to get worse for fan expectations because all the player movement is going to cause parity which is going to mean it’s a lot harder to maintain elite status. Really good teams might lose 2 or 3 times and we’re going to see more teams come out of nowhere to win 9+ because rosters that used to take 2-3 years to fix can now find quick bandaids. (See Tennessee in 2021-2022). We’ll also see a team or two have tough offseasons and become FSU.

OSU, UGA, Penn State, and Oregon seem to be doing pretty good for themselves.

 

[ftsandersvol]

My son has got me watching Josh Pate, & he's aligned with my thoughts on CF: NIL, transfer portal, conference expansion, etc. have gotten out of hand & the decision makers (whoever they are) have about ruined it. I've become more & more cynical & pessimistic about the "sport". Sad times.

Greed is a powerful seductress.

 

[Golfprovol]

I've been pretty positive on huepel mostly. I've been pretty positive on the team mostly but it's clear there are glaring issues that huepel is refusing to fix. It's a lot easier to just pretend like there's nothing wrong until we lose to Florida, bama, UGA, and another we aren't supposed to drop next year

Proof he is refusing to fix these "issues"? What exactly are these issues? Easy to make such a broad statement when you don't have to back it up with actual true information.

Maybe you are in the building and meeting rooms and actually know because of you are not, then you are just talking out of your ass.

 

[CNCVol88]

Actual proof that those coaches are dead weight? Not some "I believe" speculation and certainly not some I have read so many damn posts on here saying the same thing.

Was our secondary not the most improved unit this year? We played the team with the most talented roster ever paid for.

Do you think Karl Malobe feels embarrassed cause he lost to MJ twice? NOPE because he lost to arguably the best team ever.

What WR not named Hyatt has improved since coming to the university of Tennessee under Kelsey Pope?

Where are the OL players that Glen Ellarbee has recruited and developed?

The 2 games that we played where the team had the arm talent and the WR talent to push us, our DBs reverted back to the awful play we've seen prior. McCoy and Gibson are good. Brooks is smart that that's in spite of Martinez. Not because of him.

 

[GAVol]

OSU, UGA, Penn State, and Oregon seem to be doing pretty good for themselves.

UGA is a perfect example though. They are probably about to be a 3 loss team and who knows how they’ll navigate the QB position.

I just think our mentality has to become more basketball-like where it’s “make the tournament and see what happens” instead of “OMG we had a bad game. Fire somebody!”

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

Actual proof that those coaches are dead weight? Not some "I believe" speculation and certainly not some I have read so many damn posts on here saying the same thing.

Was our secondary not the most improved unit this year? We played the team with the most talented roster ever paid for.

Do you think Karl Malobe feels embarrassed cause he lost to MJ twice? NOPE because he lost to arguably the best team ever.

The only proof coaches are good for that other poster is if we win a natty. Even if we did, they would complain about something else. “Glad we won but the orange on the Power T looked off”

 

[CNCVol88]

Proof he is refusing to fix these "issues"? What exactly are these issues? Easy to make such a broad statement when you don't have to back it up with actual true information.

Maybe you are in the building and meeting rooms and actually know because of you are not, then you are just talking out of your ass.

I would say 6 WRs in the portal including your #1 guy the next year and former players in Instagram live making fun of you counts as a glaring issues.

I'd say WRs not getting better and disappearing when it's their year to shine is a major issue (ramel keyton, squirrel white, Bru McCoy, brazzell.)

I'd say after 4 years in and not a single OL starter being Glen ellarbee's recruit is a glaring issues.

I'd say 5 years in and still 7th in SEC recruiting is a glaring issue

Id say the offense getting worse the last 2 years is a glaring issue.

It's easy to see if you aren't sticking your head in the big orange sand.

 

[Golfprovol]

My son has got me watching Josh Pate, & he's aligned with my thoughts on CF: NIL, transfer portal, conference expansion, etc. have gotten out of hand & the decision makers (whoever they are) have about ruined it. I've become more & more cynical & pessimistic about the "sport". Sad times.

Allowing oneself to be influenced by people with ulterior motives is not healthy for the mind. You just gave up your ability to think for yourself by adopting someone else's thought and taking them on a yours.

You obviously didn't think that way before, but now you do because you chose to listen to someone negative. Did you take the time to listen to someone on the opposite side? Or just changed based one?

 

[loservol]

Actual proof that those coaches are dead weight? Not some "I believe" speculation and certainly not some I have read so many damn posts on here saying the same thing.

Was our secondary not the most improved unit this year? We played the team with the most talented roster ever paid for.

Do you think Karl Malobe feels embarrassed cause he lost to MJ twice? NOPE because he lost to arguably the best team ever.

Mike Matthews to portal? [confirmed. He plans to enter the portal.]

I think we need to have a VolNation/Players meeting to find out what the h*ll is going on.

www.volnation.com

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[CNCVol88]

The only proof coaches are good for that other poster is if we win a natty. Even if we did, they would complain about something else. “Glad we won but the orange on the Power T looked off”

We didn't win a natty - Rodney Garner is still one of if not the best DL coach in the country. Da'rail Sims is good still a good RB coach. Our ST coach is still a good ST coach.

Glen ellarbee is still a bad coach even if we won the natty

Kelsey Pope is still apparently unlikable and a bad coach if we won the natty.

Willie Martinez still has our players not playing the ball and getting stupid PI calls against good teams and is not a good coach if we won the natty.

Joey hazle is still not the answer for our offense even if we won the natty.


But none of that matters because we didn't win a natty. We didn't even sniff one and our talent level is nowhere close to winning one and won't be until someone gets serious about it over there in the athletic dept.

 

[Golfprovol]

I would say 6 WRs in the portal including your #1 guy the next year and former players in Instagram live making fun of you counts as a glaring issues.

I'd say WRs not getting better and disappearing when it's their year to shine is a major issue (ramel keyton, squirrel white, Bru McCoy, brazzell.)

I'd say after 4 years in and not a single OL starter being Glen ellarbee's recruit is a glaring issues.

I'd say 5 years in and still 7th in SEC recruiting is a glaring issue

Id say the offense getting worse the last 2 years is a glaring issue.

It's easy to see if you aren't sticking your head in the big orange sand.

WR is a position that we don't use a lot of different players. The people who are in the portal could not get on the field, even when we had people hurt. Writing on the wall they are buried on depth chart and looking for PT.

Squirrel was not going to be the #1 guy next year, none of the portal guys were. Squirrels production is easily replaced.

Where is the overall recruiting #? Recruiting in the SEC is hard, have them recruiting rankings not improved? Has the talent gap not closed? You see that as a negative (i would assume you live negatively) but your argument against the coaches disproves itself. We have beaten BAMA with a less talented roster twice. Must becoming something right.

The offensive issues have been discussed over and over and some of you would rather forget some FACTS rather than think about them. Our system is based on speed, Joe and Nico could or can not process information quickly enough to go fast. Maybe Nico learns, maybe not, but comparing a RS Freshman QB to Hendon is just plain stupid. We also had 2 NFL receivers that Hendon could throw to

Using the information and and facts that fit your narrative seems like your head is in the sand or maybe you ate imitating CNN.

 

[CNCVol88]

WR is a position that we don't use a lot of different players. The people who are in the portal could not get on the field, even when we had people hurt. Writing on the wall they are buried on depth chart and looking for PT.

Squirrel was not going to be the #1 guy next year, none of the portal guys were. Squirrels production is easily replaced.

Where is the overall recruiting #? Recruiting in the SEC is hard, have them recruiting rankings not improved? Has the talent gap not closed? You see that as a negative (i would assume you live negatively) but your argument against the coaches disproves itself. We have beaten BAMA with a less talented roster twice. Must becoming something right.

The offensive issues have been discussed over and over and some of you would rather forget some FACTS rather than think about them. Our system is based on speed, Joe and Nico could or can not process information quickly enough to go fast. Maybe Nico learns, maybe not, but comparing a RS Freshman QB to Hendon is just plain stupid. We also had 2 NFL receivers that Hendon could throw to

Using the information and and facts that fit your narrative seems like your head is in the sand or maybe you ate imitating CNN.

Who cares about overall recruiting when it's the SEC we play in? They are who we play year in and year out and we are middle of the pack.

Haven't been able to beat bama, Florida, or UGA in their place and in some key positions this year we did out talent Florida and bama. Bama is also falling from their dynasty and back to reality.

We should have NFL receivers if they were being developed. This year should have been squirrel and Bru's year but both disappeared. Brazzel was supposed to be the #1 WR in the portal and disappeared. Nico would get the balls to the players and they would drop them. Two years running now we are blaming QB play and one of them before the season started was supposed to be QB Jesus? Nah I'm not buying that narrative. Bad WR development is the common factor.

You still didn't address my points of where the development at WR and OL Is. I haven't seen it.

 

[volanatic]

My son has got me watching Josh Pate, & he's aligned with my thoughts on CF: NIL, transfer portal, conference expansion, etc. have gotten out of hand & the decision makers (whoever they are) have about ruined it. I've become more & more cynical & pessimistic about the "sport". Sad times.

I 2nd your opinion. I’m in the same boat.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Who cares about overall recruiting when it's the SEC we play in? They are who we play year in and year out and we are middle of the pack.

Haven't been able to beat bama, Florida, or UGA in their place and in some key positions this year we did out talent Florida and bama. Bama is also falling from their dynasty and back to reality.

We should have NFL receivers if they were being developed. This year should have been squirrel and Bru's year but both disappeared. Brazzel was supposed to be the #1 WR in the portal and disappeared. Nico would get the balls to the players and they would drop them. Two years running now we are blaming QB play and one of them before the season started was supposed to be QB Jesus? Nah I'm not buying that narrative. Bad WR development is the common factor.

You still didn't address my points of where the development at WR and OL Is. I haven't seen it.

The red flags in CJH's program are very easy to see if you just open your eyes. Unfortunately some on here would rather exist in a malaise of blind optimism instead of looking at reality.

 

[hog88]

Who in the heck is going to sign an NIL that limits your other NIL earning from elsewhere? Imagine someone trying to "lock in" Peyton to only doing one company's commercials. He'd be crazy to do that and I think any agent would reject that straight away.

What is in it for the kid to sign that kind of deal unless it's well above the market value?

If you read my post I specifically stated it wouldn’t affect NIL deals outside of a collective.

 

[Batman1948]

Where does the “talent fee” go?

Legal fees

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If you read my post I specifically stated it wouldn’t affect NIL deals outside of a collective.

But why would they bind themselves to the collective in a multi year deal and limit their option to transfer?

That ability to transfer is their key to negotiating for a raise. Why give it away?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Coach em up

Works until you face actual talent that also has good coaching.

 

[hog88]

But why would they bind themselves to the collective in a multi year deal and limit their option to transfer?

That ability to transfer is their key to negotiating for a raise. Why give it away?

Some would and some wouldn’t but I believe most programs would go that route if allowed. Right now it’s not even an option.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Some would and some wouldn’t but I believe most programs would go that route if allowed. Right now it’s not even an option.

I just wouldn't advise someone to voluntarily give up the option to transfer. It's not just about the money (though most would be) but sometimes there's just a bad fit or what if the team wants rid of them?

If you're letting just one party, the collective, decide when you can transfer (assuming they'd be able to "forgive" the debt if the school wanted the player to leave) seems like a really bad deal for the player to sign.

 

[hog88]

I just wouldn't advise someone to voluntarily give up the option to transfer. It's not just about the money (though most would be) but sometimes there's just a bad fit or what if the team wants rid of them?

If you're letting just one party, the collective, decide when you can transfer (assuming they'd be able to "forgive" the debt if the school wanted the player to leave) seems like a really bad deal for the player to sign.

Players wouldn’t be prohibited from transferring or signing NIL deals, they just couldn’t sign a deal with another collective.