Is the world better off with the nation of Israel?

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LouderVol said:
oh yeah I am sure the native Tartars welcomed back the government that wiped them off the face of the planet.....
oh wait.

Russians aren't natives to Crimea. They have been there even less than Europeans have been in the Americas.
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Similar to Palestinians being wiped off their land?

Russians aren’t native of Crimea? So, by this theory they should just give back all of Crimea to the Tartars, and we should just give all of America back to the Indians??
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/beto-orourke-israel-netanyahu/index.html


Speaking in Iowa as he campaigns for the Democratic nomination for president, O'Rourke said the US-Israeli relationship was among the most important "on the planet" and singled out Netanyahu.
"That relationship, if it is to be successful, must transcend partisanship in the United States, and it must be able to transcend a prime minister who is racist, as he warns about Arabs coming to the polls, who wants to defy any prospect for peace as he threatens to annex the West Bank, and who has sided with a far-right, racist party in order to maintain his hold on power," O'Rourke said.
O'Rourke continued, saying he did not believe Netanyahu "represents the true will of the Israeli people" or the "best interests" of the relationship between the US and Israel. He went on to endorse a two-state solution to achieve peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
"We must be able to transcend his current leadership to make sure that that alliance is strong, that we continue to push for and settle for nothing less than a two-state solution, because that is the best opportunity for peace for the people of Israel and the people of Palestine," O'Rourke said. "It is the best opportunity for the full human rights of everyone who is living in that region."
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Take off your partisan hats for a moment --- is he right?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Similar to Palestinians being wiped off their land?

Russians aren’t native of Crimea? So, by this theory they should just give back all of Crimea to the Tartars, and we should just give all of America back to the Indians??
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and the palestinians can give it back to the jews. who can give it back to the.....who can give it back to the.....

I am not making an argument FOR respecting the "natives". all native means is the last people to push out the people before them. I am pointing out the fallacy of bringing up the native argument, that you are now picking up on.

I am for the "might makes right" argument.
 
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Pacer92 said:
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Man, these people look unhappy with the vote..
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I actually don't see that many happy faces. granted different culture but who knows.

plenty of happy people on the wrong side of history and events.

I know I can find dozens of pictures of Ukrainians celebrating the overthrow of the Russian puppet. doesn't validate anything.
 
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LouderVol said:
and the palestinians can give it back to the jews. who can give it back to the.....who can give it back to the.....

I am not making an argument FOR respecting the "natives". all native means is the last people to push out the people before them. I am pointing out the fallacy of bringing up the native argument, that you are now picking up on.

I am for the "might makes right" argument.
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You’re the one that brought the “native” argument in. I compared the present day pushing out of Palestinians to the other two. All of them are wrong....needless to say, something that shouldn’t be happening in the 21st century...

If Jews deserve a state...the Palestinians deserve a state...
 
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Pacer92 said:
You’re the one that brought the “native” argument in. I compared the present day pushing out of Palestinians to the other two. All of them are wrong....needless to say, something that shouldn’t be happening in the 21st century...

If Jews deserve a state...the Palestinians deserve a state...
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Why do they deserve anything? Their fellow arabs don't even want them.
 
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Pacer92 said:
You’re the one that brought the “native” argument in. I compared the present day pushing out of Palestinians to the other two. All of them are wrong....needless to say, something that shouldn’t be happening in the 21st century...

If Jews deserve a state...the Palestinians deserve a state...
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in my argument the Jews "deserve" a state because of the might they are able to express.
 
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hog88 said:
Apparently not since none will let them emigrate.
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You don’t think Palestinians have a right to their own land? Their own statehood?

Or would this give them the true “right” to protect themselves against Israeli encroachment?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Selling of their property? I don’t think this is the problem...

The problem is that almost a million Jews are living outside of their national boundaries, in settlements unanimously deemed illegal by UN charter 242...which Israel ignores. This is not about Palestinians selling their land off...this is about theft of Palestinian land by Israel.
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I’m just telling you what’s happening.
Spin it any way you want.

Oh and **** the UN.
 
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Pacer92 said:
You don’t think Palestinians have a right to their own land? Their own statehood?

Or would this give them the true “right” to protect themselves against Israeli encroachment?
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They already have the right to own their own land. No they do not have the right to statehood.
 
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LouderVol said:
in my argument the Jews "deserve" a state because of the might they are able to express.
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So let's just say the surrounding muslim dominant countries decided to band together and gangbang israel. They displace all the jews there. Might makes right?

I just want to make sure when you say might makes right, you really mean it.
 
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