Is there any chance that Baron comes back? [Ole Miss]

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BowlBrother85 said:
They were breaking NCAA rules .... which are still in place. Schools still can not pay players directly, even for NIL. That is why we have collectives.
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But the practical effect of that money that was paid illegally and NIL is the same.

Does Cam Newton play at Auburn without big money? Probably not.

Today that would be NIL deals arranged for him.

You can say "that's not what NIL is about" and "they broke the rules" but that's just being falsely idealistic about what has been happening for decades.

It's not a serious discussion unless you address that money WAS paid to get players and keep them years before NIL and that's what NIL is doing now.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
But the practical effect of that money that was paid illegally and NIL is the same.

Does Cam Newton play at Auburn without big money? Probably not.

Today that would be NIL deals arranged for him.

You can say "that's not what NIL is about" and "they broke the rules" but that's just being falsely idealistic about what has been happening for decades.

It's not a serious discussion unless you address that money WAS paid to get players and keep them years before NIL and that's what NIL is doing now.
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You can call it being idealistic ... or you can call it a correct interpretation of the Supreme Court's ruling in the case of NCAA v. Alston.

That ruling allowed for student-athletes to be compensated "for the use of their nascent name, image and likeness," .... not for their athletic performances and achievements.
 
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Vol_sanity said:
If I recall, the previous portal entry was for less than a day and revolved around his father being fired. Doesnt really matter, but i have seen many say he has "done this before", but this is his first move to get more money. Moves are made like this in the real world daily. Sometimes the employer uses it to move on to younger and cheaper talent. I would think that if the coaches wanted to keep him, they would find a way. VFL in my book
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He’s getting ready to go to another school to play for more money. Another school in conference at that. How the hell is that a VFL?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can call it being idealistic ... or you can call it a correct interpretation of the Supreme Court's ruling in the case of NCAA v. Alston.

That ruling allowed for student-athletes to be compensated "for the use of their nascent name, image and likeness," .... not for their athletic performances and achievements.
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And you think that's actually what is happening?

Again, you can say "they broke the rules in the old days" and hide behind it but what was happening was exactly as I said: the scholarship didn't cover the value of some players to the schools so they paid them.

NIL does that today because the scholarship STILL doesn't cover the value of some players.

Whether that was against the rules or against the spirit of NIL, it's happening BECAUSE the education and scholarship aren't providing the entire value of the services the athletes provide.

You may want to close your eyes to it but the market does as the market does when it comes to supply, demand, and wages.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The purpose of NIL is not to compensate student-athletes for their performance or for their athletic achievements and sacrifices, but rather to compensate them strictly for the use of their name, image and likeness.

If athletes want to be compensated for their performance ... college is the wrong place for them. They should get a job. That sort of financial compensation should come from a club, or professional organization, not from a school. Too many people don't understand what NIL is for.

Once again, nobody has to go to college. It's always been an individual choice and still is.
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The argument could be made that the NFL is the organization distorting the marketplace with their age restrictions that prevent otherwise legal adults from earning a living in their chosen field.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
How do coaches do it? How do employees do it at businesses?

People do, and should do, what is good for them and their family when it comes to business.

College football is a huge business.
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Most employers do not go through a begging process to keep someone from leaving. Coaches should not have to do it either with all the other things they have to deal with. " college is big business">>> doing everything it can to lose it's fans. Every single bit of this team-jumping, portal-begging process stinks IMHO
 
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Vols do not play Ole Miss. Kiffin will live out of the portal and forego deemphasize high school players. It will be like Calipari - live and die by the mercenaries he can attract. Good luck to Baron if he hits a big payday in Oxford - but get the cash upfront.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not what college is for ... and sorry to be a broken record here, but nobody is forced to go to college.
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That's what college football and basketball are for at some schools.

Our coaches are paid FAR, FAR, FAR more than the professors, hell...... more than President Randy Boyd.

There's only so much "that's not what college is about" that can avoid being laughed at when the school pays the coaches millions.

I like your "sticking to your guns" about college but seriously, the school shows what is important by paying the hell out of coaches who bring in big revenue.

Is that what college is about?
 
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volfeeva said:
Most employers do not go through a begging process to keep someone from leaving. Coaches should not have to do it either with all the other things they have to deal with. " college is big business">>> doing everything it can to lose it's fans. Every single bit of this team-jumping, portal-begging process stinks IMHO
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The NCAA tried to keep money out of college football and the schools sued to be able to negotiate big media deals.

THE SCHOOLS brought big money into college sports, not the players.

And yes, it stinks. It will kill college football, but it's NOT the fault of players who simply grew up and this is the system in place for them. They made EXACTLY ZERO of the current rules and practices.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's what college football and basketball are for at some schools.
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Maybe so .... but that has nothing to do with the NCAA v. Alston ruling, which makes it very clear, that it only covers compensation for the use of a student-athlete's name, image and likeness ... not for their athletic performances and achievements.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Maybe so .... but that has nothing to do with the NCAA v. Alston ruling, which makes it very clear, that it only covers compensation for the use of a student-athlete's name, image and likeness ... not for their athletic performances and achievements.
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It has everything to do with what is happening with NIL and what happened with "bag men" and "envelopes" before.

College football and basketball aren't "clean" college athletics and haven't been for decades.

NCAA v Alston, in Kavanaugh's opinion, ADDRESSED that the "student athlete" model is on very, very shaky legal ground from an antitrust perspective. He basically told the NCAA, "get ready to lose the players are employees lawsuit."

Saying the train isn't coming when it is doesn't make it go away.

Edit: NCAA v Alston was about educational benefits, not NIL. It just scared the NCAA enough to stop blocking NIL.
 
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He’s played hard, and given his all to Tennessee. If he thinks transferring is in his best interest… More power to him. I’d guess it has to do with what he believes he should get in NIL. It’s kinda surprising that ole piss could give him more than he’s been getting here, but who knows.
We should all be appreciative of his contributions. But his leaving will help get a couple of studs we have on the field. Herring, Bradley, and Hobbs just to name a few.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It has everything to do with what is happening with NIL and what happened with "bag men" and "envelopes" before.

College football and basketball aren't "clean" college athletics and haven't been for decades.

NCAA v Alston, in Kavanaugh's opinion, ADDRESSED that the "student athlete" model is on very, very shaky legal ground from an antitrust perspective. He basically told the NCAA, "get ready to lose the players are employees lawsuit."

Saying the train isn't coming when it is doesn't make it go away.

Edit: NCAA v Alston was about educational benefits, not NIL. It just scared the NCAA enough to stop blocking NIL.
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* Education-related benefits .... and it has nothing to do with bag men suddenly being allowed to pay student-athletes for their performance.
 
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chattavol420 said:
He’s played hard, and given his all to Tennessee. If he thinks transferring is in his best interest… More power to him. I’d guess it has to do with what he believes he should get in NIL. It’s kinda surprising that ole piss could give him more than he’s been getting here, but who knows.
We should all be appreciative of his contributions. But his leaving will help get a couple of studs we have on the field. Herring, Bradley, and Hobbs just to name a few.
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I don't get why some posters are kissing his a$$ .... but whatever.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
* Education-related benefits .... and it has nothing to do with bag men being suddenly being allowed to pay student-athletes for their performance.
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You can keep your eyes closed and pretend the what's happening isn't what's happening and why, but you're obviously not looking for a serious discussion about the market and who caused this mess.

The market is there because: the value of the scholarship hasn't covered the value of the services some athletes provide to schools for a long, long time. Schools offered money to make up the differences via boosters.

The schools created this massive market by signing massive media contracts, building pro level facilities, pro level stadiums, paying coaches pro level salaries....... essentially creating a professional sports team within the universities.

It WILL destroy college athletics but the schools have no one to blame but themselves and the NCAA.

(As an aside, there's no minimum age to be in the NFL. You have to be 3 years (I think it is) out of high school.)
 
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chattavol420 said:
He’s played hard, and given his all to Tennessee. If he thinks transferring is in his best interest… More power to him. I’d guess it has to do with what he believes he should get in NIL. It’s kinda surprising that ole piss could give him more than he’s been getting here, but who knows.
We should all be appreciative of his contributions. But his leaving will help get a couple of studs we have on the field. Herring, Bradley, and Hobbs just to name a few.
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He has given his all for TN? How so? Last year Baron went into the portal only to come out because he couldn’t get more lonely somewhere else. You can be appreciative of his contributions if you want. I choose to think he is a quitter who is nothing more than a turncoat. Tyler Baron can kick rocks.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
He has given his all for TN? How so? Last year Baron went into the portal only to come out because he couldn’t get more lonely somewhere else. You can be appreciative of his contributions if you want. I choose to think he is a quitter who is nothing more than a turncoat. Tyler Baron can kick rocks.
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Yep. He finally got what he wanted...out of Knoxville.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The market is there because: the value of the scholarship hasn't covered the value of the services some athletes provide to schools for a long, long time.
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They are not supposed to. Scholarships cover the cost of an education, not the cost of a Mercedes.

Schools are not the employers of student-athletes. If athletes want to be paid market value for their abilities .... they can get a job. If certain league rules are preventing that from happening, such as the NBA's 1 year rule, or the NFL's 3 year rule ... then those leagues should be sued to allow all 18 year olds the right to participate. The athletes would win.

Once again ... nobody has to go to college.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
He has given his all for TN? How so? Last year Baron went into the portal only to come out because he couldn’t get more lonely somewhere else. You can be appreciative of his contributions if you want. I choose to think he is a quitter who is nothing more than a turncoat. Tyler Baron can kick rocks.
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Exactly. His "All for Tennessee" came with strings attached ... That's fine, but as fans, we don't have to like it or kiss his butt.
 
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chattavol420 said:
He’s played hard, and given his all to Tennessee. If he thinks transferring is in his best interest… More power to him. I’d guess it has to do with what he believes he should get in NIL. It’s kinda surprising that ole piss could give him more than he’s been getting here, but who knows.
We should all be appreciative of his contributions. But his leaving will help get a couple of studs we have on the field. Herring, Bradley, and Hobbs just to name a few.
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TBaron knew the young bucks were going to eat into his playing time.

It was best to look for greener pastures and an opportunity to keep making money since he’s not ready for the big leagues evidently.
 
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