Is there any chance that Baron comes back? [Ole Miss]

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

They’ll try it. That’s why they’re now starting to allow funneling through the colleges. Where the money flows, the control lies. That’s step 1 towards controlling the amounts by setting caps.

It's impossible legally to cap NIL, even for pros or grade school students. That ship has sailed. The courts would shut down NIL control quickly.

 

[BreatheUT]

When this was discussed a few years ago before it came to fruition, some of us said it would be a huge $h!t show. Now that is what it is. This Tyler Baron situation shows you the days of a fanbase having an affinity for a really good player but maybe not a superstar may be over because that player may not be around long or finish at team you might play next year. Just think when your 5 star at any position underperforms and possibly get pulled. How patient will they be or will they just leave?

 

[Voltopia]

So Baron packs his bags for Ole Miss huh?

Is this fun yet? Are we having fun yet? People gonna enjoy being fans of this, really? "Here today, gone tomorrow," year after year after year? Anyone can go, at any time, everyone's always one phone call away from leaving, but keep putting in those donations and buying those tickets and cheering for them, I guess.

And yes, I know - Tennessee has benefited from getting portal transfers. I didn't think it was any better then either. Just the sugar high of getting something good in the moment. College football has become the NFL, but worse -- and that's actually somewhat remarkable.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

MLB has a huge developmental league in the US as well as supporting leagues in other countries. I don’t think the NFL will voluntarily go that route - they have a no cost (to them) developmental league now. If they lose in court it will open the door but offering 18 year olds serious money to come straight into the NFL would be risky business for the NFL and reduce the flexibility the college players currently have. With NIL money now in place these kids can sign multimillion dollar deals and not be under contract as they would be in the NFL. Ewers at Texas skipped his senior year of high school - he signed a million dollar deal with Ohio State, red shirted his freshman year, then transferred to Texas for an even better deal.

We’ll all watch the future unfold and hope that the game we love doesn’t become a casualty.

Don't discount that the SEC, B1G, all the major conferences are making pretty good TV revenue. It's a decent revenue stream for some schools.

Sadly, the schools that will be hurt, smaller and less TV blessed, haven't gotten big TV checks for years and are likely to lose the chance to change athlete's lives with a scholarship, hard work, and great memories.

If the schools can somehow walk off from TV, the fans can see this is for the best, the coaching salaries and facilities can reflect what a school might reasonably pay, etc........we might have a chance.

Getting people to voluntarily walk off from millions and millions of dollars isn't likely, though.

 

[lexkyvol]

2nd time he's done this. If he wanted to come back, I'd make him work his way up the depth chart like he's a walk-on and offer him no NIL money!

 

[ddubb76]

There's too much money involved now to expect that to work. 50 million dollars a year per each SEC school.

With those media contracts comes the expectation that the SEC will field some really, really good football teams. Arguably the best college teams in the nation.

That monetary pressure has created a market to pay players to field better teams. Decades and decades ago the SEC teams got in this and, if the teams got better, the TV money got better.

And here we are.

As I've said from the start of this, it's a mess, it's awful, and the players didn't start this, they inherited it from the schools.

Kind of agree. But I blame the nfl, not the schools. I also don’t see how if a school makes tons of money, how is that any business of the athlete. If I decide to work for someone, their money has no bearing on my compensation. Only unions do the profits of the corporation have any type of bearing on my pay, and the union leaders and union are the ones who profit from that while deteriorating product. But that’s another debate.

 

[508mikey]

notice how players are never academic ineligible anymore ?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Kind of agree. But I blame the nfl, not the schools. I also don’t see how if a school makes tons of money, how is that any business of the athlete. If I decide to work for someone, their money has no bearing on my compensation. Only unions do the profits of the corporation have any type of bearing on my pay, and the union leaders and union are the ones who profit from that while deteriorating product. But that’s another debate.

The NFL IS NOT going to draft young, not ready for the league and many who will NEVER reach the league players. It's bad for their business to take risks and pay undeveloped players.

Should a pro athletics organization be required to have a development league? By whom? MLB and NHL do it because it is good for business. NBA is doing it, with limited success. NFL doesn't because college football is there.

EVEN IF the NFL had a development league, like the NBA does, there'd still be massive NIL deals for some players. Bronny James could've easily gone to the G League but he chose to play in college and still has a $5M+ NIL.

None of that helps the problem: the core problem is the major revenue schools REALLY want the big TV money and will pay, and have paid, plenty of athletes to make their teams extremely talented so their conferences get better TV deals.

Follow the money.

 

[Sarms58]

notice how players are never academic ineligible anymore ?

Well, we do spend millions annually to employ a dozen full time employees and hundreds of part time tutors to provide whatever support is required to keep all scholarship athletes eligible. It’s that way at all the big time schools.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Well, we do spend millions annually to employ a dozen full time employees and hundreds of part time tutors to provide whatever support is required to keep all scholarship athletes eligible. It’s that way at all the big time schools.

Like any other business, keeping workers "certified" to perform money making tasks for the company is big business.

Hospitals have extensive systems in place to ensure that everyone from rad techs to transplant surgeons are up to date on certificates, CE, etc.

They don't do it out of "love for the healthcare profession" but because it's both a staffing and potential legal issue if someone is not in compliance at work.

The schools don't keep players academically eligible because of "love for the academic experience of college" but because it's a roster issue and a potential NCAA violation if they play while ineligible.

But sure....... college athletics is about education.

 

[Sarms58]

Don't discount that the SEC, B1G, all the major conferences are making pretty good TV revenue. It's a decent revenue stream for some schools.

Sadly, the schools that will be hurt, smaller and less TV blessed, haven't gotten big TV checks for years and are likely to lose the chance to change athlete's lives with a scholarship, hard work, and great memories.

If the schools can somehow walk off from TV, the fans can see this is for the best, the coaching salaries and facilities can reflect what a school might reasonably pay, etc........we might have a chance.

Getting people to voluntarily walk off from millions and millions of dollars isn't likely, though.

Yea, it’s probably headed that way and I fear it will make college football much more like the NFL. There will be fewer than 50 teams in the new Big Time college football division and you’ll hope your team can at least be 6-6 or 7-5 so they can into the playoffs. All the cream puffs are gone so nobody ever goes undefeated and you wont get to have those 3 or 4 extra home games. For your out of conference (out of division) games you might get Northwestern or Georgia Tech one year and then have to play at Michigan or at Florida State the next.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yea, it’s probably headed that way and I fear it will make college football much more like the NFL. There will be fewer than 50 teams in the new Big Time college football division and you’ll hope your team can at least be 6-6 or 7-5 so they can into the playoffs. All the cream puffs are gone so nobody ever goes undefeated and you wont get to have those 3 or 4 extra home games. For your out of conference (out of division) games you might get Northwestern or Georgia Tech one year and then have to play at Michigan or at Florida State the next.

I think it pares down even further after the NCAA finally dissolves or tries to govern "non revenue" athletics.

We're seeing in the NFL that, for instance the Prime Football Thursday games, oversaturation isn't good. There are only so many meaningful games out there and trying to "hype" games just to get viewers is getting really cringy.

Overseas games? Really? The NFL is fighting uphill against futbol in the rest of the world and I seriously doubt those games make any money. "Growing the market" with that expensive effort is a real head scratcher for me.

The NBA with an "in season tournament" complete with custom floors and such? Eewww. The attempted eyeball grab with that was just laughable. What an expensive joke.

The "pro college" league will need to be leaner than 50 teams. I'd not be surprised to see NFLish numbers survive: 32-36, mostly SEC and B1G teams with huge stadiums, facilities, etc. Beyond that, I don't think the TV revenue will be sustained. Absolutely no one beyond the small team fanbases wants to watch Vandy vs Northwestern on TV, ever.

My hope is small schools can be spared and college athletics can be an experience, academic and athletic, which enriches the college experience for players and fans without selling itself out to TV revenue.

We'll see.

 

[Wireless1]

Which has now been absolutely proven to be less than the market rate.

Do we really know what the true market rate is?
I remember years ago that Steve Young signed a huge contract ($2+ M?) to play in the USFL, later to find out it was full of annuities, deferments and incentives, so that the NPV really made its value between $500-$750k….then we found out that the USFL was overpaying so they folded.
NIL has 2 components, one for play on the field, the other name recognition that would bring value to a “donor’s” business.
ZZ will always get more money that his stats justify, while a guy who has a police interaction will only get what his play can justify

 

[Iravolfan]

If he doesn’t want to be here , then move on !!

 

[hUTch2002]

It's impossible legally to cap NIL, even for pros or grade school students. That ship has sailed. The courts would shut down NIL control quickly.

As it is currently yes but they’re going to try it within 2-3 years. Schools are pushing to get control for a reason. They want control and they want a cut before all of their other donations disappear.

 

[hUTch2002]

And he can get that same thing from ANY major university PLUS NIL.

It's tiring people insisting "the scholarship is worth so much" because it's been OBVIOUS since boosters started paying players years ago that the players are worth more than the value of the scholarship to the teams.

Just give it a rest. The players are more valuable than you'd like to believe to the programs.

What players? Lacrosse players? Volleyball players? Swimmers? You have to remember that NCAA athletes are more than just football players.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

As it is currently yes but they’re going to try it within 2-3 years. Schools are pushing to get control for a reason. They want control and they want a cut before all of their other donations disappear.

It's not going to be possible for schools to say: You have to get all your NIL from here. It's just not legal.

The NCAA suggestion that schools have their own NIL collective IS an attempt to "claw back" some donor money from NIL deals. What schools are learning is that NIL deals ARE more expensive than they thought and it sucks donor money that was going elsewhere.

It continues to point to the fact the scholarships didn't compensate the athletes for their value to the schools AND the donors aren't looking at their donations as "educational" but are comfortable donating more to athletics instead.

It points to a shift in how donors view the university: educational or athletic.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

What players? Lacrosse players? Volleyball players? Swimmers? You have to remember that NCAA athletes are more than just football players.

I'm well aware of that and that some schools have turned certain sports into huge revenue cows is going to hurt A LOT of student-athletes.

That's why I've said the huge revenue sports need to separate from the schools to save the non-revenue, true student-athlete sports.

 

[Brawlvol]

Old Piss it is, He gone, by thread

 

[Godfatha]

notice how players are never academic ineligible anymore ?

I was trying to recall a couple days ago the last time that someone was ruled academically ineligible.

I think the NCAA has given up the facade of being about the student part of student-athlete. At least that's one thing they're no longer hypocritical about.

I mean you got a guy like Stetson Bennett who was in college six years and still didn't get a degree. How does that happen?

 

[chattavol420]

I'm not sure what the hell really goes on behind the scenes so im not gonna drag a kid or speak on his character all because he chose to play elsewhere.There is some childish ass sh*t on here but to each there own.Nil is a different animal but ill toss my unwarranted 2 cents in the ring.

Baron played great for us,if he wanted out last year which maybe he did or didn't who knows but either way kid came and did his job every Sat and deserves more respect than the bs getting spewed here.He could have easily came back got his bag and half assed it.He didn't so who am I to judge that man for him believing this move is in his best interest.Good Luck to the kid and next man up.

Agree. That’s what I was trying to say in my comment but several have dragged me for it.

We want these kids to sacrifice themselves as if it is only about fandom. But these kids have worked their entire lives to get this opportunity and to them it is a business as much as anything else. That is certainly the way I would treat it if I was in their shoes. I said Barron gave his all for Tennessee because he never half-assed it out on the field. His motor always kept going and he was a guy that played with a lot of heart and energy.

Wish he was still playing with us, but we have plenty of depth at the position and I choose to be appreciative for the contributions TB made here.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I guess he can kiss the University of Tennessee after football networking opportunities goodbye ….. not only leaving for another SEC school….. but Ole Miss with Kiffin.

 

[GoVols64]

Wait people think Nico got $8m up front guaranteed?

Not what I said at all. That’s his “contract” if he plays out his eligibility at TN. No one, I am aware of, knows the Specifics of his NIL deal outside the $8M price tag.

Also appears to be a common number for 5* talent at the QB position.

 

[LittleVol]

I hope he leaves. Completely over him.

Finally we agree on something

 

[LittleVol]

Old Piss it is, He gone, by thread

Nah bruh.

We gotta fill it with random odd ball convos!!