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#401
#401
unfrozencvmanvol said:
You don't lose the team, or a large majority of it, in Year 2, Game 1 (this actually goes back even to last year) without a massive leadership failure, and leadership starts with the head coach. If tons of players are quitting on this staff this early in his tenure, which is a theory the last 3 games performance definitely supports, that is a symptom of the disease, not it's cause.
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If you've ever gone through management changes, then you almost certainly would recognize that the new guy has some real challenges. Unless the old regime was really bad, a lot of the staff will always resist change.

Look at a football team. Except for twenty-some players that Pruitt brought in the first year (and even many of those were actually Butch recruits) every player on the team was a Butch player. Maybe some were happy to see Butch go, but you can always assume with younger people their first allegiance is to the first boss ... just the facts. The NCAA doesn't let a new coach do a reset and find a new team - he has to make do with what he's got - happy or not. Some coaches have a great personality and can win people over easily - but they don't produce because they can't coach worth beans. It's never going to be easy for a tougher coach to take a team that's been muddling through without effort and turn them into a disciplined team. Pruitt will likely find the way, but it may not be with the people on this team this year. For the record, I think JG is a problem ... maybe not an anti-Pruitt problem, but not a leader in a leadership position.
 
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#404
utvolpj said:
Fans don't have the right to attack players like they do on social media. What he posted was dumb but the response from UT fans was the actual embarrassment
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He put it out there on public social media. It’s fair game. If it were private I would understand, but it’s Twitter. Perhaps he will think next time.
 
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AM64 said:
If you've ever gone through management changes, then you almost certainly would recognize that the new guy has some real challenges. Unless the old regime was really bad, a lot of the staff will always resist change.

Look at a football team. Except for twenty-some players that Pruitt brought in the first year (and even many of those were actually Butch recruits) every player on the team was a Butch player. Maybe some were happy to see Butch go, but you can always assume with younger people their first allegiance is to the first boss ... just the facts. The NCAA doesn't let a new coach do a reset and find a new team - he has to make do with what he's got - happy or not. Some coaches have a great personality and can win people over easily - but they don't produce because they can't coach worth beans. It's never going to be easy for a tougher coach to take a team that's been muddling through without effort and turn them into a disciplined team. Pruitt will likely find the way, but it may not be with the people on this team this year. For the record, I think JG is a problem ... maybe not an anti-Pruitt problem, but not a leader in a leadership position.
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Earlier today, in one of these threads I put it like this, and this would be the extent of my disagreement here as well:

unfrozencvmanvol said:
Coaches always have to take over and lead a bunch of players they didn't recruit. They have to recruit the current roster and lead them, it's an essential part of the job. Pruitt has spent much of his time here dumping on the current roster, and they've responded accordingly. Look at North Carolina, they went 2-10 last year, and those same players came in and fought their butts off for Mack Brown. Mack has had that effect everywhere he's ever been, it doesn't mean he can't recruit and flip the roster also, he's really good at that too, but it's the coaches job to go sell his vision to his team. Sometimes you see a mass exodus, very early in a coach's tenure, but if somebody stays beyond that, you have to assume that there has been a mutual decision made to move forward under the new way of doing things, the player has agreed to move forward and the coach's have decided the player has value. If we are having this level of mutiny over 1.5 years after Pruitt took over, he has lost a whole bunch of players who who originally bought in, my guess would be that he has dumped on them more privately than he has publicly (and he's done so on multiple occasions publicly) and he's shown them the respect as human beings he has repeatedly shown the fans on the coach show, i.e. none at all.
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#406
unfrozencvmanvol said:
Or you can leave, I've been a fan all my life and I never have and never will post one of those "I'm out" posts I saw from so many people this weekend. Being a Vol is not a choice for me, I was born one, and because I am in it for the long haul, I'm really, really ticked off about the disgraceful performance we were subjected to, it's literally the worst loss in program history. So I'm sorry if I'm not calm and reasonable about it still now less than 48 hours after the debacle, I admit my blood is still running hot, and I'm sorry if you can't relate to that.
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You and others like you calling for a decent coach to be fired aren't true Vol fans in my book. There's not a coach in this country who could come in here and do any better than what Pruitt's done so far. He's a true players coach and has put players in the league as of late. He was hired by another former Vol who also has put a few players in the league himself so I'm sure these two are well aware of what's going on and I'm also sure the current situation or any subsequent situations that may arise will be handled with the best interest of the university in mind. Jeremy is a genuine, caring, man and football coach who shoots straight and I'm proud to have him as the coach of the Vols. He recruited well in his 1st year,(2019), because in '18 he didn't recruit the full class and he appears to be on track to have yet another fine class in 2020. Because of his way of telling it like it is and the rest of the staff he's surrounded by UT is appearing to be an attractive school to many above average high school athletes. Contrary to what I've read the past few days, I doubt very seriously that coach Pruitt hates Tennessee simply because he attended and played football at Alabama. I think a true UT Vol fan would show some appreciation and respect toward our football coach. Also i'm certain that he's well aware of any shortcomings he may currently have due to being a head coach for slightly more than a year now and he is surrounded by many who know this business much better than we who are there to assist him. I ask that you picture this headline in your local paper "Pruitt resigns as head coach of Tennessee Volunteers." He's already stated his intentions that he's totally aware of the tradition at this fine university and he plans to restore that tradition. He's not a man of words but seemingly more a man of action and by all signs he's heading in the proper direction because 1st, you get the athlete to attend the university and get an education and 2nd you train and develop the athlete to fit and play within your system. I'm certain he knew the challenges prior to accepting the job and many on VN or those that follow the Vols also knew that the situation was far less than ideal. I've followed these Vols now for 54 years and felt that D.Dickey was a good coach in my early years of following and there's something about Pruitt's demeanor that makes me feel this might be the guy to coach these Vols. I still feel that way and know that this rebuild will require some time to get good depth across the board and train these athletes in the proper manner. There's inevitably going to be a few highs and lows in this process. Here's to hoping that coach Pruitt possesses the thick skin required to endure the verbal criticisms that are currently being directed his way as well as those yet to come. As far as that resignation think about it because i can assure you that those would be the toughest of times in case you're thinking it's bad now and it's much healthier to view the positive side of this rebuild. Which I hope is going well but we'll find out more each week.
 
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#407
unfrozencvmanvol said:
Earlier today, in one of these threads I put it like this, and this would be the extent of my disagreement here as well:
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I know you did, and it's well thought out. However after what seemed like a lifetime of constant reorganizations (I'm now retired), I can say few organizational changes really work well. Those few who can come in, takeover, and gain the respect of almost everyone are few and far between. The one guy I saw make it work on his first try was actually an Army 2nd Lt. He was very demanding and alienated virtually everyone until the day came along that somebody above his head decided that his company didn't need to be rewarded again for being the best. He promptly turned around, marched the entire company to the training room and announced what had happened, and stated "This was your training. Dismissed." Sometimes it's only one simple thing and it takes a specific event to trigger it. Sometimes there's never the triggering event.

I've been around UT football long enough to have been a UT student when Doug Dickey took over in 1964. Although there were plenty of losses the first year, the promise of something much much better was there ... but you have to accept that in 1964 we were also very different people when it came to respect. The next year Coaches Bill Majors, Charlie Rash, and Bob Jones were killed in an accident on the way to work; that event absolutely galvanized the team and the student body ... in a lesser place than UT it might have gone completely the other way.
 
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#408
#408
tbones0711 said:
You and others like you calling for a decent coach to be fired aren't true Vol fans in my book. There's not a coach in this country who could come in here and do any better than what Pruitt's done so far. He's a true players coach and has put players in the league as of late. He was hired by another former Vol who also has put a few players in the league himself so I'm sure these two are well aware of what's going on and I'm also sure the current situation or any subsequent situations that may arise will be handled with the best interest of the university in mind. Jeremy is a genuine, caring, man and football coach who shoots straight and I'm proud to have him as the coach of the Vols. He recruited well in his 1st year,(2019), because in '18 he didn't recruit the full class and he appears to be on track to have yet another fine class in 2020. Because of his way of telling it like it is and the rest of the staff he's surrounded by UT is appearing to be an attractive school to many above average high school athletes. Contrary to what I've read the past few days, I doubt very seriously that coach Pruitt hates Tennessee simply because he attended and played football at Alabama. I think a true UT Vol fan would show some appreciation and respect toward our football coach. Also i'm certain that he's well aware of any shortcomings he may currently have due to being a head coach for slightly more than a year now and he is surrounded by many who know this business much better than we who are there to assist him. I ask that you picture this headline in your local paper "Pruitt resigns as head coach of Tennessee Volunteers." He's already stated his intentions that he's totally aware of the tradition at this fine university and he plans to restore that tradition. He's not a man of words but seemingly more a man of action and by all signs he's heading in the proper direction because 1st, you get the athlete to attend the university and get an education and 2nd you train and develop the athlete to fit and play within your system. I'm certain he knew the challenges prior to accepting the job and many on VN or those that follow the Vols also knew that the situation was far less than ideal. I've followed these Vols now for 54 years and felt that D.Dickey was a good coach in my early years of following and there's something about Pruitt's demeanor that makes me feel this might be the guy to coach these Vols. I still feel that way and know that this rebuild will require some time to get good depth across the board and train these athletes in the proper manner. There's inevitably going to be a few highs and lows in this process. Here's to hoping that coach Pruitt possesses the thick skin required to endure the verbal criticisms that are currently being directed his way as well as those yet to come. As far as that resignation think about it because i can assure you that those would be the toughest of times in case you're thinking it's bad now and it's much healthier to view the positive side of this rebuild. Which I hope is going well but we'll find out more each week.
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I see definite parallels with the early Doug Dickey years, and I see a lot of differences that make this transition much more difficult for Pruitt. The players themselves ... attitude, ability, NFL desires, etc all set the current players significantly apart from those players in the 60s and before. NCAA rules regarding recruiting, scholarships, practice, freshmen are totally different and make current team building more difficult. Early signing is a killer for new coaches. There is a world of difference between student athletes of the past who might make it into pro football vs a generation of prima donnas who view college football as nothing more than a springboard to the NFL. I'd bet the older coaches are relieved that they coached their players and not these players.
 
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#409
tbones0711 said:
You and others like you calling for a decent coach to be fired aren't true Vol fans in my book. There's not a coach in this country who could come in here and do any better than what Pruitt's done so far. He's a true players coach and has put players in the league as of late. He was hired by another former Vol who also has put a few players in the league himself so I'm sure these two are well aware of what's going on and I'm also sure the current situation or any subsequent situations that may arise will be handled with the best interest of the university in mind. Jeremy is a genuine, caring, man and football coach who shoots straight and I'm proud to have him as the coach of the Vols. He recruited well in his 1st year,(2019), because in '18 he didn't recruit the full class and he appears to be on track to have yet another fine class in 2020. Because of his way of telling it like it is and the rest of the staff he's surrounded by UT is appearing to be an attractive school to many above average high school athletes. Contrary to what I've read the past few days, I doubt very seriously that coach Pruitt hates Tennessee simply because he attended and played football at Alabama. I think a true UT Vol fan would show some appreciation and respect toward our football coach. Also i'm certain that he's well aware of any shortcomings he may currently have due to being a head coach for slightly more than a year now and he is surrounded by many who know this business much better than we who are there to assist him. I ask that you picture this headline in your local paper "Pruitt resigns as head coach of Tennessee Volunteers." He's already stated his intentions that he's totally aware of the tradition at this fine university and he plans to restore that tradition. He's not a man of words but seemingly more a man of action and by all signs he's heading in the proper direction because 1st, you get the athlete to attend the university and get an education and 2nd you train and develop the athlete to fit and play within your system. I'm certain he knew the challenges prior to accepting the job and many on VN or those that follow the Vols also knew that the situation was far less than ideal. I've followed these Vols now for 54 years and felt that D.Dickey was a good coach in my early years of following and there's something about Pruitt's demeanor that makes me feel this might be the guy to coach these Vols. I still feel that way and know that this rebuild will require some time to get good depth across the board and train these athletes in the proper manner. There's inevitably going to be a few highs and lows in this process. Here's to hoping that coach Pruitt possesses the thick skin required to endure the verbal criticisms that are currently being directed his way as well as those yet to come. As far as that resignation think about it because i can assure you that those would be the toughest of times in case you're thinking it's bad now and it's much healthier to view the positive side of this rebuild. Which I hope is going well but we'll find out more each week.
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I know you obviously mean what you say, and I salute your long fanhood, but I disagree with you completely. I hope you are right about Pruitt though. Anyway, I've got to hit the rack. Goodnight.
 
#411
#411
tbones0711 said:
You and others like you calling for a decent coach to be fired aren't true Vol fans in my book. There's not a coach in this country who could come in here and do any better than what Pruitt's done so far. He's a true players coach and has put players in the league as of late. He was hired by another former Vol who also has put a few players in the league himself so I'm sure these two are well aware of what's going on and I'm also sure the current situation or any subsequent situations that may arise will be handled with the best interest of the university in mind. Jeremy is a genuine, caring, man and football coach who shoots straight and I'm proud to have him as the coach of the Vols. He recruited well in his 1st year,(2019), because in '18 he didn't recruit the full class and he appears to be on track to have yet another fine class in 2020. Because of his way of telling it like it is and the rest of the staff he's surrounded by UT is appearing to be an attractive school to many above average high school athletes. Contrary to what I've read the past few days, I doubt very seriously that coach Pruitt hates Tennessee simply because he attended and played football at Alabama. I think a true UT Vol fan would show some appreciation and respect toward our football coach. Also i'm certain that he's well aware of any shortcomings he may currently have due to being a head coach for slightly more than a year now and he is surrounded by many who know this business much better than we who are there to assist him. I ask that you picture this headline in your local paper "Pruitt resigns as head coach of Tennessee Volunteers." He's already stated his intentions that he's totally aware of the tradition at this fine university and he plans to restore that tradition. He's not a man of words but seemingly more a man of action and by all signs he's heading in the proper direction because 1st, you get the athlete to attend the university and get an education and 2nd you train and develop the athlete to fit and play within your system. I'm certain he knew the challenges prior to accepting the job and many on VN or those that follow the Vols also knew that the situation was far less than ideal. I've followed these Vols now for 54 years and felt that D.Dickey was a good coach in my early years of following and there's something about Pruitt's demeanor that makes me feel this might be the guy to coach these Vols. I still feel that way and know that this rebuild will require some time to get good depth across the board and train these athletes in the proper manner. There's inevitably going to be a few highs and lows in this process. Here's to hoping that coach Pruitt possesses the thick skin required to endure the verbal criticisms that are currently being directed his way as well as those yet to come. As far as that resignation think about it because i can assure you that those would be the toughest of times in case you're thinking it's bad now and it's much healthier to view the positive side of this rebuild. Which I hope is going well but we'll find out more each week.
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Nothing says Pruitt is a decent HC yet. His resume currently sucks after the last 3 games.
 
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Trent4Pruitt4life said:
Have you ever ever supported letting a losing coach go? You did this with butch, cuonzo, and now Pruitt.
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Sure I do. But after the first game in year 2? No way. But hey lets just keep hiring and firing until maybe we strike gold. Seems to have really worked huh? Then we can pay Botch, Pruitt and this staffs buyouts. Wonder how much we would have to pay a coach then? Some of you are comical.
 
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#416
#416
Weezer said:
There are far more serious things in life. I've been praying for a successful season to help distract me from them. The kid did something stupid and like I said, it's up to the other players or if need be the coaches to call him on it. I don't think he has any intention of tanking his own play. He just stupidly laughed about something everyone else is currently sensitive about. We're bitching about this kid not acting like an adult, all while not acting adult ourselves. And many of us are far older than he is. Like I said to VG, we all want to win. I've been on this hellish ride of UT football along with everyone else. But nothing is achieved by screaming for this young man's head. And maybe he can actually help make the team better. But that's up to the coaches. I'm tired of arguing about it. Everyone's so pissed off they can't reason straight, so whatever.
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Yeah let's go buy him a cake😒
 
#418
#418
BigOrangeTrain said:
Sure I do. But after the first game in year 2? No way. But hey lets just keep hiring and firing until maybe we strike gold. Seems to have really worked huh? Then we can pay Botch, Pruitt and this staffs buyouts. Wonder how much we would have to pay a coach then? Some of you are comical.
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The product we have had on the field is beyond conical!!
 
#420
#420
Trent4Pruitt4life said:
Have you ever ever supported letting a losing coach go? You did this with butch, cuonzo, and now Pruitt.
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It’s crazy to even think about letting a coach go in the current scenario UT finds itself. To say he’s now under a big microscope, however, is justified.

The dude could absolutely turn this program around or he may not, but here’s a couple reasons even mentioning during is absurd:

1) 13 games isnt enough rope to give a guy who walked into this dumpster fire

2) Other coaches wouldn’t touch this program knowing they’d get the same treatment...not to mention there wasn’t too many willing to take it before

3) You’d all but guarantee recruiting for next year would be a disaster and with the current roster you’d be set up for another 3+ years of cellar dwelling.

Firing a guy Game 1 of Year 2 is absurd and people really need to stop talking about it. This makes the fan base and program seem ignorant. He may not be the guy but nobody can possibly know that at this juncture.
 
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#423
DaUndergroundMan said:
Haha. What a take? Dude. They don't care. And if they did, it wouldn't matter cause sackless, but sacked Guarantano CANNOT throw passes to playmakers like Jordan Murphy, whether he wants to or not. LOL. You just fantasized the most ridiculous blissfully naive scene imaginable. Are you twelve?

"Trey and Jauan will do our overpaid but inept coaching staff's job, and save us from the badman."
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You are strange. Very strange.
 
#424
#424
Trent4Pruitt4life said:
The product we have had on the field is beyond conical!!
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So? There is still no rational or logical reason to fire him now. At the end of this season? Quite possibly. For all we know Fulmer is already thinking about it. But think about something, when we talk about guys on this team who look good, most of the time its Pruitts guys. The young ones.

I am not saying he will turn us around but its not out of the realm of possibility.
 
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#425
#425
VolFootballIsLife said:
It’s crazy to even think about letting a coach go in the current scenario UT finds itself. To say he’s now under a big microscope, however, is justified.

The dude could absolutely turn this program around or he may not, but here’s a couple reasons even mentioning during is absurd:

1) 13 games isnt enough rope to give a guy who walked into this dumpster fire

2) Other coaches wouldn’t touch this program knowing they’d get the same treatment...not to mention there wasn’t too many willing to take it before

3) You’d all but guarantee recruiting for next year would be a disaster and with the current roster you’d be set up for another 3+ years of cellar dwelling.

Firing a guy Game 1 of Year 2 is absurd and people really need to stop talking about it. This makes the fan base and program seem ignorant. He may not be the guy but nobody can possibly know that at this juncture.

Losing 5 games by 25 points, getting killed by candy and Missouri and getting dominated by a school that has only had a football program for a decade is enough for me to see..that's not counting all this extra curricular crap
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