Islam, is it a religion of peace or war?

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We need an actual Muslim POV on this board. It would make for interesting discussions.
 
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rjd970 said:
Why do I need one other than what I believe? I have my worldview.

You also have worldview, or in this case, somebody else’s you subscribe to. Congrats. It’s still your belief.
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Lol @ that epistemology again.

You postured as though Christian belief is immoral because of God's apparent view on slavery. You took your moral high ground. I pointed out you had no intellectual ground to posture on.

Now you retreat to an emotional "everybody gonna believe what everyone gonna believe" alley.

Where is that moral and intellectual high ground again?
 
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MercyPercy said:
I am certainly interested in your ability to defend these notions, though I admit I do not imagine your arguments will be particularly convincing since they all seem to be based on circular logic. But let's be honest, you aren't getting your mind changed either, so why this little tantrum?
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You haven't convinced me. Why should it matter if i use circular logic? Logic is a product of the material mind.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Lol @ that epistemology again.

You postured as though Christian belief is important because it God's apparent cute on slavery. You took your moral high ground. I pointed out you had no intellectual ground to posture on.

Now you retreat to an emotional "everybody gonna believe what everyone gonna believe" alley.

Where is that moral and intellectual high ground again?
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I didn’t retreat anywhere and nothing has changed. It’s sad this is where your argument has ended up.

We all have our beliefs. It’s that simple.
 
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rjd970 said:
I didn’t retreat anywhere and nothing has changed. It’s sad this is where your argument has ended up.

We all have our beliefs. It’s that simple.
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You've retreated from the ability to moral grandstands after having a moral grandstand. You piped up to call God's morality evil. To claim that its always evil for one person to own another. For god to kill someone for Sabbath breaking etc

Then, when asked where you get your concept of human value that all of these are based on, you retreated to the epistemological copout: "well, people believe what they want to believe".

You don't see the tremendous retreat? You were just condemning the beliefs of others until you realized how baseless your beliefs are.

And what's sad is not caring that you have subscribed to a worldview that forces you to believe what you don't believe and deny what you do believe.
 
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Roustabout said:
The goal post moving hasn’t worked out reall well for the Christian haters today.
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I can't speak for others, but I'm far from a Christian hater. I consider myself to be a Christian. But I'm also not a Christian apologist, nor am I hater of others because their beliefs are different than mine.
 
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Weezer said:
I can't speak for others, but I'm far from a Christian hater. I consider myself to be a Christian. But I'm also not a Christian apologist, nor am I hater of others because their beliefs are different than mine.
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Umkay
 
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BigO95 said:
They are kissing cousins to Catholics.
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Uh...no they are not. Luther called the Pope the Anti-Christ and was excommunicated from Catholic Church. Calvin's theology is the basis of most Protestant theology. Again, your ignorance shines through.
 
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Roustabout said:
Homosexual behavior was viewed as deviant by most of the world up until recent times. I’m not sure that how Africans or Muslims view homosexuality is really the issue. Saying African Christians or African Muslims do __________ to whatever group could have as much to do with the moral roots that precede these religion’s affect. What we need to do is look at the two central figures of each faith and see what they did and what they and their disciples taught.
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Homosexuality was accepted by Romans, Greeks and all the Mediterranean cultures. Only with the rise of Christianity was it deemed deviant.
 
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DynaLo said:
Did you intend that to come across as arrogant as all get out? Because it does. What makes your beliefs the correct ones and the only ones that count?

The original bible verses were written in ancient Hebrew, ancient Aramaic and common Greek that were then all translated into Greek by Alexander the Great.

The original Catholic version, in Latin, that was in use for over 1400 years was a 4th century translation. The Catholic Bible contains more books than the Christian version although they did a pick and choose of books.

In 1611 the King James version was translated from Hebrew and Aramaic to conform to the tenants of the Anglican denomination. Seeing as Aramaic was replaced by Arabic in 650 AD, who in England was actually fluent enough in it to accurately translate it?

The Quaran was written in western Arabic as Mohammed was from Mecca and it's usually written in eastern Arabic, so there may be translation issues there as well.

How can anybody stand up and say my way is the only way? Relying on translations of translations that all had agendas of power behind them is a shaky platform.
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Alexander the Great did not write the the Septuagint. It was put together by several Jews who were fluent in Greek and was given as a gift to Ptolemy for the Library in Alexandria.
 
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volsportsfan said:
We as believers in Christ need to be strong enough in the faith to condemn, with love, what is wrong. With love stand up for what is right. And, be as a lamb going to slaughter when adversaries ( within our own religion, other religions, atheists, and those who could care less ) lay hold of us. God help me to have this faith. My thoughts on the subject. My own personal fear and weakness before all, and prayer to God, in the name of Jesus. For He ( Father, if it be thy will, let this cup pass from Me, he said. For, the fear and the expectation of suffering / pain was now upon Him ) is our example ( though God, and all powerful, was harmless as the sheep to be slaughtered. He took the pain, took the mocking, and still said " Father forgive them for they know not what they do " ). May I ( my prayer for help ), as someone who professes His name, be able to stand, and fall, as He did.
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Condemning is judging. Too bad you never read John 3:17.
 
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BigO95 said:


This video is very telling.
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This sh*t right here is chilling. In the most mainstream mosque in Britain, Point blank teaching children that they need to kill apostates and homosexuals. All you "we are the world" idiots with your constant refrain of "not all Muslims!" need to stfu. It is a real fu*king problem that will never be fixed if you keep trying to repress the truth of the situation with your nonsensical strawman arguments.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Westboro Baptist Church comes pretty damn close....
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Those idiots constantly say stupid things, but I've never seen them call for their church to go out and kill gays, or non-believers. I'm sure you can post proof, right? I'll say they're idiots, but if they're calling for murder by all means please post it.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
What, you've never heard of westboro baptist church?

What pastors preach and what the Bible actually says are often at odds with one another so I dont see this as much of an objection. Case in point being the recent vote in the Methodist church over gay clergy members.
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They aren't "real" Christians.
 
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