Islam, is it a religion of peace or war?

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Weezer said:
You should leave yourself room to be wrong. I see faith as something that is constantly growing, and sometimes, I think we can make mistakes. It's okay to adjust your beliefs as you learn, IMO. You don't have to abandon faith completely because something changes.
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The Bible says that faith comes by hearing the word of God. If you want to increase your faith, study the Bible!
 
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BigO95 said:
The Bible says that faith comes by hearing the word of God. If you want to increase your faith, study the Bible!
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I've heard it and read it. It convinced me it was a lot of hooey.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
The experiment you were talking about previously (in an earlier post) I think is the double slit experiment. Very strange stuff.

I dont think we should necessarily judge things like general relativity based on whether they're completely accurate, but rather whether they're useful in producing accurate results for whatever we're using them for. Newtonian gravity is useful in a lot of applications but we knew for a long time that it wasn't correct, for instance.
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Actually I wasnt talking about the double slit experiment, though that one is crazy, too. Good post.

The one that blew my mind recently was about scientists taking "quantum pairs" for lack of a better term, and sending 1 half of the pair into orbit around the earth. These particular particles, when observed to check their charge(positive or negative) would change...simply from being observed. From positive to negative or vice versa...like a switch. Which is crazy all by itself...much like the physics that suggests you can either know the exact location of a quantum particle, or its trajectory/vector , but not both...anyway, so they took 1 of the paired particles and sent it into orbit, kept 1 on earth. When they observed the particle on earth and it was positive (afterwhich it would become negative, somehow) the particle that was many miles away in earth's orbit changed its charge also...just like its "twin" on earth. Which means that distance/time are not a factor in quantum pairs. Theoretically, if they are halfway across the galaxy and 1 changes, its pair also changes, like a switch. Instantly. Instantly is a big deal...it turns a lot of baseline physics upside down...also, they said that this newly discovered relationship or property of the paid could be used in quantum encryption...as a sort of key...in that. Your information could be sent with a particle on 1 end and the other at its destination, and if anyone had attempted to hack or "observe " it, then both pairs would change. If you're interested, google it, I am sure that I am leaving out a lot of detail but that is the gist of it. It seems that most of what we are learning...slowly...at the quantum level is just totally incompatible with relativity and our general understanding of physics and how the universe works for lack of a better term. Anyway, Go Vols.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
The experiment you were talking about previously (in an earlier post) I think is the double slit experiment. Very strange stuff.

I dont think we should necessarily judge things like general relativity based on whether they're completely accurate, but rather whether they're useful in producing accurate results for whatever we're using them for. Newtonian gravity is useful in a lot of applications but we knew for a long time that it wasn't correct, for instance.
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Actually I wasnt talking about the double slit experiment, though that one is crazy, too. Good post.

The one that blew my mind recently was about scientists taking "quantum pairs" for lack of a better term, and sending 1 half of the pair into orbit around the earth. These particular particles, when observed to check their charge(positive or negative) would change...simply from being observed. From positive to negative or vice versa...like a switch. Which is crazy all by itself...much like the physics that suggests you can either know the exact location of a quantum particle, or its trajectory/vector , but not both...anyway, so they took 1 of the paired particles and sent it into orbit, kept 1 on earth. When they observed the particle on earth and it was positive (afterwhich it would become negative, somehow) the particle that was many miles away in earth's orbit changed its charge also...just like its "twin" on earth. Which means that distance/time are not a factor in quantum pairs. Theoretically, if they are halfway across the galaxy and 1 changes, its pair also changes, like a switch. Instantly. Instantly is a big deal...it turns a lot of baseline physics upside down...also, they said that this newly discovered relationship or property of the paid could be used in quantum encryption...as a sort of key...in that. Your information could be sent with a particle on 1 end and the other at its destination, and if anyone had attempted to hack or "observe " it, then both pairs would change. If you're interested, google it, I am sure that I am leaving out a lot of detail but that is the gist of it. It seems that most of what we are learning...slowly...at the quantum level is just totally incompatible with relativity and our general understanding of physics and how the universe works for lack of a better term. Anyway, Go Vols.
 
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Most people can't find God because they don't want to find God. They love their sin and will not repent.
 
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BigO95 said:
Perhaps you just don't want to believe because of your love for your sin?
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Perhaps. Or I believe that sin is a human construct and don't see the point of denying or feeling shame that humanity is imperfect.
 
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Septic said:
Perhaps. Or I believe that sin is a human construct and don't see the point of denying or feeling shame that humanity is imperfect.
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What is your moral compass? How do you know what is right and wrong?
 
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BigO95 said:
What is your moral compass? How do you know what is right and wrong?
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We are taught right and wrong by a myriad of people - parents (if they give a $hit), grandparents, relatives, teachers, bosses, etc. I knew what was right and wrong as a young kid and church certainly did not provide all that many lessons. What some Christians will never understand is humans do not require religion to provide them with moral structure and ethics.
 
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BigO95 said:
What is your moral compass? How do you know what is right and wrong?
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Consequentialism. Isn't is plausible that treating others poorly is a terrible conduit for the advancement of a species and that we've developed this innate morality to survive and flourish? Some of the Scandinavian countries are some of the most secular in the history of Earth, yet they also enjoy some of the lowest levels of violent crime and corruption. How do we reconcile that?

Tell me, is it your contention that the only thing between you and murder (for example) is the fear that you may one day end up in hell?

As I stated, I believe sin is a human construct, ergo religion gets its morality from humans. I think this is where we'll likely not be able to bridge an agreement.



"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death." — Albert Einstein
 
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Septic said:
Consequentialism. Isn't is plausible that treating others poorly is a terrible conduit for the advancement of a species and that we've developed this innate morality to survive and flourish? Some of the Scandinavian countries are some of the most secular in the history of Earth, yet they also enjoy some of the lowest levels of violent crime and corruption. How do we reconcile that?

Tell me, is it your contention that the only thing between you and murder (for example) is the fear that you may one day end up in hell?

As I stated, I believe sin is a human construct, ergo religion gets its morality from humans. I think this is where we'll likely not be able to bridge an agreement.



"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death." — Albert Einstein
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Consequentialism. You win because of your use of this never used word.
 
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VolStrom said:
Consequentialism. You win because of your use of this never used word.
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I would have like it to have been because I presented a cogent argument, but I'll take it.

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Purple Tiger said:
We are taught right and wrong by a myriad of people - parents (if they give a $hit), grandparents, relatives, teachers, bosses, etc. I knew what was right and wrong as a young kid and church certainly did not provide all that many lessons. What some Christians will never understand is humans do not require religion to provide them with moral structure and ethics.
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What is your basis? What if people have a different opinion on what is right and wrong? Which is right?
 
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Septic said:
Consequentialism. Isn't is plausible that treating others poorly is a terrible conduit for the advancement of a species and that we've developed this innate morality to survive and flourish? Some of the Scandinavian countries are some of the most secular in the history of Earth, yet they also enjoy some of the lowest levels of violent crime and corruption. How do we reconcile that?

Tell me, is it your contention that the only thing between you and murder (for example) is the fear that you may one day end up in hell?

As I stated, I believe sin is a human construct, ergo religion gets its morality from humans. I think this is where we'll likely not be able to bridge an agreement.



"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death." — Albert Einstein
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Why would your opinion on what is right be any better than anyone else's?
 
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BigO95 said:
Just asking? It normally ends up being, I feel or I think. I figured it would be easier just to cut to the chase.
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Not that you have any obligation to do so but you didn't answer my question.

Is it your contention that the only thing between you and murder (for example) is the fear that you may one day end up in hell? Is this what drives your sense of morality?
 
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Septic said:
Not that you have any obligation to do so but you didn't answer my question.

Is it your contention that the only thing between you and murder (for example) is the fear that you may one day end up in hell? Is this what drives your sense of morality?
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No sir, I believe once a man is saved, he is eternally secure. I do however believe that God is the rule maker and therefore he decides what right and wrong is.
 
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