Israel confronts flotilla

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gsvol said:
Hamas demomlishes more homes in gaza that Israel ever did and I am still more than a little pissed off that Israel gave over control of Bethlehem to the so-called palestinians. Damned muslim terrorists!



http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.co...ans-are-top-activists-in-gaza-flotilla-group/

Another thing that pisses me off is the obvious ignorance of the people here in America as to what is going on, notwithstanding those who are beyond ignorance such as the poseur bopeepus who is about as close to Hank Jr as Norman Einstein is to Dale Dribble.
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What a fool...
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BoseefusTheVol said:
Rachel Corrie??!! Or was she a communist libtard?
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She's a dead libtard, commie or no!!

I would say to you; live long and prosper, except that you seem to be the epitome of a liptard, so I say to you; die soon and give the world a break.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
What a fool...
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What you say when you look in the mirror??

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gsvol said:
She's a dead libtard, commie or no!!

I would say to you; live long and prosper, except that you seem to be the epitome of a liptard, so I say to you; die soon and give the world a break.
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Thanks for the kind words buddy.

But I still think you're a fool :crazy:
 
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IPorange said:
Attacks in international waters is how this thread started...
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And it was explained to you in detail that what Israel did was legal under international law, did you not ever grasp that??




MontereyVol said:
Maybe that Iranian ship never makes it there.
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Seems to be some waffling at the top levels in Iran, first they said they would, then they said they wouldn't and now the claim they are going to send a ship to run the blocade.

Tactically they aren't in that good of a postition unless Turkey opens up it's ports to support the Iranian Navy, which isn't out of the question due if you consider recent Turkish rhetoric.
 
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Or the fact the Egyptians just allowed one of the largest US flotillas to pass through their canal with some NATO brethren. It might make some think that any Iranian warship/aid ship may be ripe for the new sanctions.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Or the fact the Egyptians just allowed one of the largest US flotillas to pass through their canal with some NATO brethren. It might make some think that any Iranian warship/aid ship may be ripe for the new sanctions.
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American Foreign Policy Council - Publications » Bulletins » Iran Democracy Monitor - No. 103

SHIPPING SHELL GAME
The international community may be tightening the financial noose around Iran, but the Islamic Republic continues to find new ways around U.S. sanctions. The regime's most recent efforts involve corporate camouflage by IRISL, the Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines, in order to avoid U.S. sanctions aimed at preventing Iranian acquisition of military-use technology.

Since 2008, when the U.S. banned all American banks and companies from transactions with IRISL and its fleet, ships have been disappearing, sold off to other companies, only to resume operations under a new name and ownership months later. Investigations reveal that, despite the new owners, the vessels are frequently still operated — directly or indirectly — by IRISL or its subsidiaries. This use of shell companies has placed 73 of IRISL's 123 ships in the ownership of companies not blacklisted by the United States, though at least 63 of those ships can be traced back to IRISL.

U.S. watch groups cannot keep pace with the shell companies, which have spread across Europe and Asia, even as IRISL continues to deny any role in “improperly aiding Iran’s military and nuclear programs.”
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gsvol said:
Where is the ship and how is in named??
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Its a known revolutionary guard ship and they might as well have put a beacon on the damn thing.

To ease your trouble mind it appears like they aren't going to use it. Maybe at this point they will try to be a little more subversive. We called their bluff and are moving forward.
 
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gsvol said:
And it was explained to you in detail that what Israel did was legal under international law, did you not ever grasp that??


I have not heard adequate explanations, only emotional arguments and facts about how bad the bad guys are-- neither of which absolved the action.

Belittling me by umplying I couldn't grasp something may play well to those who already conform to your world view, but it comes across as petty and weak to me.
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MontereyVol said:
Its a known revolutionary guard ship and they might as well have put a beacon on the damn thing.

To ease your trouble mind it appears like they aren't going to use it. Maybe at this point they will try to be a little more subversive. We called their bluff and are moving forward.
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Where are you getting all this information??

Actually I would be surprised if the current regime in Washington had bluffed the Iranians, not so surprised if the Iranians didn't want to be embarrassed by Tel Aviv.





IPorange said:
gsvol said:
And it was explained to you in detail that what Israel did was legal under international law, did you not ever grasp that??


I have not heard adequate explanations, only emotional arguments and facts about how bad the bad guys are-- neither of which absolved the action.

Belittling me by umplying I couldn't grasp something may play well to those who already conform to your world view, but it comes across as petty and weak to me.
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No one is trying to belittle you little brother.

Review the thread, at least two posts explained the issue to you.

Israel was well within it's rights under established international law to interdict the ships in international waters.

Anyone who is advising you otherwise is blowing smoke up you butt.
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gsvol said:
Where are you getting all this information??

Actually I would be surprised if the current regime in Washington had bluffed the Iranians, not so surprised if the Iranians didn't want to be embarrassed by Tel Aviv.
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That little tidbit about the warships is in the news. I wont go any further than that.

You got it backwards, we called the Iranian's bluff. At least I think that's what you were implying.
 
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MontereyVol said:
That little tidbit about the warships is in the news. I wont go any further than that.

You got it backwards, we called the Iranian's bluff. At least I think that's what you were implying.
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You are the only source I've found that says we called the Iranian bluff, my question is, did you pick that up from the office or conclude that because we are moving ships to the area??

In the above link which is the latest I've found, an Iranian source is quoted as saying they canceled because Israel had informed the UN they would consider it an act of war if Iran tried to run the blockade.
 
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gsvol said:
You are the only source I've found that says we called the Iranian bluff, my question is, did you pick that up from the office or conclude that because we are moving ships to the area??

In the above link which is the latest I've found, an Iranian source is quoted as saying they canceled because Israel had informed the UN they would consider it an act of war if Iran tried to run the blockade.
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Do you believe the Iranian source?
 
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MontereyVol said:
Do you believe the Iranian source?
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Not especially but I was saying that is all I have seen reported.

Moving the 11 US Navy ships to the area could be a gesture toward Turkey who said they would send Turkish Navy ships to excort the proposed September fleet of ships planning to port in Gaza.

I highly doubt the US would need such a force to stop one Iranian merchant vessel, which the Israelis would have no problem directing through customs on their own.

I don't see where we need to intervene and furthermore if we had told the Iranians we were going to stop their ship I can't imagine them keeping quiet about it, imo they would be screaming to high heaven. Of course that is just conjecture on my part.

Those are the reasons why I asked you about your source.
 
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The latest:

Iran cancels plan to send ship to Gaza - Yahoo! News

Iran will not be sending a blockade-busting ship to Gaza in defiance of Israeli warnings, an Iranian lawmaker (Mahmoud Ahmadi Bighash) said Saturday, citing Israeli "restrictions."
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Our ship movements seem to be more about the Strait's of Hormuz than the Gaza blockade imo.

Report: U.S. fleet allowed through Suez - UPI.com

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USS Truman.

Iran has for over 25 years threatened to close the shipping lane as a last resort. The latest proposed sanctions or rumors that Israel may bomb Iranian nuclear facilities could possibly be a trigger.

Iran Says New Weapon Can Close Strait Of Hormuz - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2010

Latest such threat, end of April, 2010.

Iran hardliner issues Strait of Hormuz warning to U.S. | Reuters
 
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Some things about the whole Gaza relief effort, which is nothing more that political theater.

1. Conditions are much better in Gaza than many would have you believe. (I provided a link earlier from a French source that showed fruit and vegetable markets brimming with produce.)

Fancy restaurants and Olympic-size pools: What the media won?t report about Gaza | Full Comment | National Post

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A typical well stocked convience store in Gaza.



2. Rather than being humanitarian, the flotillas are a diversion engineered by Iran, Syrian and Turkey meant to delay possible peace negotiations which do have the tentative blessings of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and others and to focus attention on political statements by Hamas and Hezbollah while maginalizing the Palistinain authority.

Walid Phares : 'The Gaza Flotilla Decoy for Iranian Missiles to Hezbollah' : World Defense Review




3. Although some would like to get heavier armaments to Hamas this diversionary episode does divert attention from Hezbollah which is arming heavily and promising another war against Israel at some point.

Iran-Lebanese Hezbollah Relationship Tracker 2010 | IranTracker

Hussein Sheikh al Islam said Secretary Clinton “is not particularly intelligent” and “doesn’t know what a Scud missile is or what the border between Syria and Lebanon looks like.”
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I don't think Hussein should have said that about the world's smartest woman, this could end up having repercussions.
 
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gsvol said:
Some things about the whole Gaza relief effort, which is nothing more that political theater.

1. Conditions are much better in Gaza than many would have you believe. (I provided a link earlier from a French source that showed fruit and vegetable markets brimming with produce.)

Fancy restaurants and Olympic-size pools: What the media won?t report*about*Gaza | Full Comment | National Post

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A typical well stocked convience store in Gaza.



2. Rather than being humanitarian, the flotillas are a diversion engineered by Iran, Syrian and Turkey meant to delay possible peace negotiations which do have the tentative blessings of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and others and to focus attention on political statements by Hamas and Hezbollah while maginalizing the Palistinain authority.

Walid Phares : 'The Gaza Flotilla Decoy for Iranian Missiles to Hezbollah' : World Defense Review




3. Although some would like to get heavier armaments to Hamas this diversionary episode does divert attention from Hezbollah which is arming heavily and promising another war against Israel at some point.

Iran-Lebanese Hezbollah Relationship Tracker 2010 | IranTracker



I don't think Hussein should have said that about the world's smartest woman, this could end up having repercussions.
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That picture sure proves a lot! Things sure look fine and dandy to me in Gaza. Thank goodness they know how to dig tunnels and smuggle those in from Egypt.

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