Israel confronts flotilla

[rjd970]

1. You Bible says plenty aobut the fires being stoked for those that deny God. Point being, if a christian wanted to use you magic book as justification for hoorible acts he can. The same exact way the loony Muslims are doing the same thing. Nothing anti-christian about that observation. It is anti-irrationality.

2. No they didn't. Hitler was in fact raised Christian and endorsed by the Catholic church. Stating his anti-semitism was rooted in anything other than religion is absurd. Stalin was raised orthodox christian and attended a religious school as a child. I don't care if you admit it or not, but there were other reasons they did the actions they did. Pol Pot no more killed the people he did because he was atheist than Stalin or Hitler did because they had mustaches.

3. LOL

4/ I'm not anti-christian in the least. I am simply anti bad reasons and justifications for fantastic beliefs. That applies to everything people believe. It just so happens that in polite conversation religion gets a pass. I can question and attack reasons people have for believing what they do about physics, chemistry, politics, etc...but as soon as I start attacking religion I am anti-christian, anti-muslim, anti-semite, etc. Such charges display a comedy of ignorance from those that are offended.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

1. You Bible says plenty aobut the fires being stoked for those that deny God. Point being, if a christian wanted to use you magic book as justification for hoorible acts he can. The same exact way the loony Muslims are doing the same thing. Nothing anti-christian about that observation. It is anti-irrationality.

Proportionanlity... compare the number of radical Muslim murders and acts of terror done in the name of Allah to those done by Christians in the name of Jehovah.

 

[rjd970]

Proportionanlity... compare the number of radical Muslim murders and acts of terror done in the name of Allah to those done by Christians in the name of Jehovah.

You will get no argument from me that Islam is definitely the more troubling in modern times.

That doesn't take away from the fact that the only thing that has kept Christians from torturing heretics and witches in modern times is an ethical evolution not experienced in the majority of the Muslim world. If they viewed certain beliefs without this ethical screen, Christians could be doing the same thing with all the justification they wanted. My point about the suffering and death heaped on those that are preached the sinfulness of birth control in the developing world is testament to this. We can only hope the Christian anxiety about sex will eventually come to the same ethical conclusions it has in other areas.

Saying Christianity is better than Islam is like saying alcohol is more healthy than cigarettes. Sure, I agree. But each propose equally absurd beliefs.

 

[gsvol]

1. You Bible says plenty aobut the fires being stoked for those that deny God. Point being, if a christian wanted to use you magic book as justification for hoorible acts he can. The same exact way the loony Muslims are doing the same thing. Nothing anti-christian about that observation. It is anti-irrationality.

2. No they didn't. Hitler was in fact raised Christian and endorsed by the Catholic church. Stating his anti-semitism was rooted in anything other than religion is absurd. Stalin was raised orthodox christian and attended a religious school as a child. I don't care if you admit it or not, but there were other reasons they did the actions they did. Pol Pot no more killed the people he did because he was atheist than Stalin or Hitler did because they had mustaches.

3. LOL

4/ I'm not anti-christian in the least. I am simply anti bad reasons and justifications for fantastic beliefs. That applies to everything people believe. It just so happens that in polite conversation religion gets a pass. I can question and attack reasons people have for believing what they do about physics, chemistry, politics, etc...but as soon as I start attacking religion I am anti-christian, anti-muslim, anti-semite, etc. Such charges display a comedy of ignorance from those that are offended.

I've yet to run across anyone who apparently hates Christians and Christianity to the degree you apparently do.

1. First the Bible isn't a book of magic.

Where do you read in the Gospel any instructions to perform horrible acts??

It also does not instruct it's followers to implement some draconian law.

2. Still Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse and Pol Pot enacted policies of genocide to bring about a completely atheistic socialist state.

Being exposed to Christianity as a child in no way makes one a Christian, that is a personal choice.

Islam on the other hand deems a child a muslim if his father is muslim and decrees a penalty of death should he ever renounce islam.

3. I would say you and her are rather close in your beliefs.

4. So you say. 'Fantastic' is a word the Soviets used to use when addressing statements made by American leaders, meaning 'unbelieveable.' Strange coincidence you should used the word that way yourself, usually in America when someone says 'fantastic' they mean 'that's great.'

No one is offended, just pointing out the absurdity of some of your ridiculous statements and again you sidestep the real isssue which is basically a culture war in which the west seems to be committing suicide without gaining much of any concessions from those who have outrightly declared they mean to conquer us.

Proportionanlity... compare the number of radical Muslim murders and acts of terror done in the name of Allah to those done by Christians in the name of Jehovah.

He can't, genocide by muslims in just the last century outnumber people killed in the name of Christianity in the last two thousand years.

The very basis of islam is to rule by terror, the very antithesis of Christianity.

You will get no argument from me that Islam is definitely the more troubling in modern times.

That doesn't take away from the fact that the only thing that has kept Christians from torturing heretics and witches in modern times is an ethical evolution not experienced in the majority of the Muslim world. If they viewed certain beliefs without this ethical screen, Christians could be doing the same thing with all the justification they wanted. My point about the suffering and death heaped on those that are preached the sinfulness of birth control in the developing world is testament to this. We can only hope the Christian anxiety about sex will eventually come to the same ethical conclusions it has in other areas.

Saying Christianity is better than Islam is like saying alcohol is more healthy than cigarettes. Sure, I agree. But each propose equally absurd beliefs.

The chances of an ethical evolution in the world of islam is zero to none without forceful responses, that is the only thing they can understand.

Your final statement is just ignorant, it is about the stupidest statement I have ever read on this board and man have there been some doozies.

 

[BeecherVol]

1. You Bible says plenty aobut the fires being stoked for those that deny God. Point being, if a christian wanted to use you magic book as justification for hoorible acts he can. The same exact way the loony Muslims are doing the same thing. Nothing anti-christian about that observation. It is anti-irrationality.

2. No they didn't. Hitler was in fact raised Christian and endorsed by the Catholic church. Stating his anti-semitism was rooted in anything other than religion is absurd. Stalin was raised orthodox christian and attended a religious school as a child. I don't care if you admit it or not, but there were other reasons they did the actions they did. Pol Pot no more killed the people he did because he was atheist than Stalin or Hitler did because they had mustaches.

3. LOL

4/ I'm not anti-christian in the least. I am simply anti bad reasons and justifications for fantastic beliefs. That applies to everything people believe. It just so happens that in polite conversation religion gets a pass. I can question and attack reasons people have for believing what they do about physics, chemistry, politics, etc...but as soon as I start attacking religion I am anti-christian, anti-muslim, anti-semite, etc. Such charges display a comedy of ignorance from those that are offended.

You will get no argument from me that Islam is definitely the more troubling in modern times.

That doesn't take away from the fact that the only thing that has kept Christians from torturing heretics and witches in modern times is an ethical evolution not experienced in the majority of the Muslim world. If they viewed certain beliefs without this ethical screen, Christians could be doing the same thing with all the justification they wanted. My point about the suffering and death heaped on those that are preached the sinfulness of birth control in the developing world is testament to this. We can only hope the Christian anxiety about sex will eventually come to the same ethical conclusions it has in other areas.

Saying Christianity is better than Islam is like saying alcohol is more healthy than cigarettes. Sure, I agree. But each propose equally absurd beliefs.

I have a hard time believing your statement in bold.

Lets assume for a second that what you said is correct about Christianity. (more so in regards to your last statement)
Why would you not be anti christian?

 

[rjd970]

I am no more anti-christian than I am anti-muslim. GS and others on here think I am some sort of Christian basher and Muslim defender, which couldn't be further from the truth. You guys just get offended and keep making charges of that are completely wrong. Suffice to say, if everybody on here were Muslim I could probably piss them off more.

 

[rjd970]

He can't, genocide by muslims in just the last century outnumber people killed in the name of Christianity in the last two thousand years.

Utter nonsense.

The very basis of islam is to rule by terror, the very antithesis of Christianity.

Find me on post where I disagree with this statement. This hardly means, however, that all Muslim practice this and all Christians don't practice it.

 

[gsvol]

I am no more anti-christian than I am anti-muslim. GS and others on here think I am some sort of Christian basher and Muslim defender, which couldn't be further from the truth. You guys just get offended and keep making charges of that are completely wrong. Suffice to say, if everybody on here were Muslim I could probably piss them off more.

Yet you habitually come up with the same tired old rhetoric that islam and Christianity are the same because they are both called religions and then try to steer the discussion down the same idiotic path that is true only in your own twisted mind and that has very little to do with comtemporary reality.

No one is offended, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, yet that opinion has alsmost zilch to do with what is going on.

Utter nonsense.

To say otherwise is utter nonsense, as a matter of fact the muslims also slaughtered more people in it's first year of existance than has been victimized by so-called Christians in two thousand years.

Find me on post where I disagree with this statement. This hardly means, however, that all Muslim practice this and all Christians don't practice it.

Again, the creed of Christianity and islam are in no way as similar as your keep on projecting.

Despite your efforts at evading the topic, the bottom line is that Israel has every right to enforce an embargo against war materials being delivered to Gaza.

Despite what some uninformed, idiotic posters would have you believe, the people of Gaza are not being denied anything other than items Hamas desires to use to harm or exterminate the citizens of Israel.

As a matter of fact Israel would be well within it's rights under international law to militarily invade Gaza and inter all known or suspect members of Hamas and even if they wish to they could deport every arab there to some other location.

 

[rjd970]

Again, the creed of Christianity and islam are in no way as similar as your keep on projecting.

Despite your efforts at evading the topic, the bottom line is that Israel has every right to enforce an embargo against war materials being delivered to Gaza.

Despite what some uninformed, idiotic posters would have you believe, the people of Gaza are not being denied anything other than items Hamas desires to use to harm or exterminate the citizens of Israel.

As a matter of fact Israel would be well within it's rights under international law to militarily invade Gaza and inter all known or suspect members of Hamas and even if they wish to they could deport every arab there to some other location.

Please...PLEASE, find me one place where I have said otherwise to the bolded. Islam is more troubling because there is much more to it that illicits bad behavior than that of Christianity. They are only the same in that they drive people to believe some very unfounded and often times dangerous beliefs. The very fact that you still haven't realized that this has been my position over the last several posts is a testament to the stubborness you continually want to practice in this discussion. This has become beyond ridiculous.

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

Yet you habitually come up with the same tired old rhetoric that islam and Christianity are the same because they are both called religions and then try to steer the discussion down the same idiotic path that is true only in your own twisted mind and that has very little to do with comtemporary reality.

No one is offended, you are certainly entitled to your own opinion, yet that opinion has alsmost zilch to do with what is going on.









To say otherwise is utter nonsense, as a matter of fact the muslims also slaughtered more people in it's first year of existance than has been victimized by so-called Christians in two thousand years.




Again, the creed of Christianity and islam are in no way as similar as your keep on projecting.

Despite your efforts at evading the topic, the bottom line is that Israel has every right to enforce an embargo against war materials being delivered to Gaza.

Despite what some uninformed, idiotic posters would have you believe, the people of Gaza are not being denied anything other than items Hamas desires to use to harm or exterminate the citizens of Israel.

As a matter of fact Israel would be well within it's rights under international law to militarily invade Gaza and inter all known or suspect members of Hamas and even if they wish to they could deport every arab there to some other location.

Wrong as usual... It's better to say that you don't know anything about the situation than to spew out your ignorant words and look like a fool...

 

[gsvol]

Please...PLEASE, find me one place where I have said otherwise to the bolded. Islam is more troubling because there is much more to it that illicits bad behavior than that of Christianity. They are only the same in that they drive people to believe some very unfounded and often times dangerous beliefs. The very fact that you still haven't realized that this has been my position over the last several posts is a testament to the stubborness you continually want to practice in this discussion. This has become beyond ridiculous.

That is what you believe, not what you know.

I have maintained since the beginning your assertions are beyond ridiculous.

The fact that this incomprehensible to you is abundantly evident even in your last post.

 

[gsvol]

Wrong as usual... It's better to say that you don't know anything about the situation than to spew out your ignorant words and look like a fool...

What exactly is wrong about what I said??

NOTHING.

Take your chump change and go home while you still can, that would make you less than the ignorant fool you appear to be, bro.

 

[utvolpj]

Despite what some uninformed, idiotic posters would have you believe, the people of Gaza are not being denied anything other than items Hamas desires to use to harm or exterminate the citizens of Israel.

Israel allows some once-banned products into Gaza - Israel News, Ynetnews

Palestinian liaison official Raed Fattouh said Israel has lifted the ban on soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, chips, cookies and sweets. He said Wednesday some products have already entered Gaza.

I assume Mentos are still banned since they could make some mean rockets with the soda

"We want Israel to lift the ban on textile, clothes, office equipment, paper products and school equipment," he said, "But mostly we want (Israel) to allow the transfer of cement and iron, because these are the really essential materials.

 

[gsvol]

Israel allows some once-banned products into Gaza - Israel News, Ynetnews



I assume Mentos are still banned since they could make some mean rockets with the soda

A hundred semis carry goods into Gaza every day.

Do you think if Hamas quit bombarding Israel that restrictions would be eased up??

The concrete and steel is used to build bunkers in which rockets are assembled.

Taking a Cue From Israel, Hamas Bulldozes Homes in Southern Gaza -- News from Antiwar.com

In another area Hamas is evicting Palestinians and tearing down their houses in order to build a super mosque.

 

[utvolpj]

keep spinning but your point was wrong. Unless you really believe potato chips are a threat to Israeli national security.

and concrete and steel are used to build most buildings, bunkers or schools and hospitals

 

[gsvol]

keep spinning but your point was wrong. Unless you really believe potato chips are a threat to Israeli national security.

and concrete and steel are used to build most buildings, bunkers or schools and hospitals

My point isn't wrong at all, what is more important, chips and dip or the survival of the people of Israel??

For the record I don't believe a word of the propaganda put out by Hamas. I don't know for a fact that potato chips are indeed banned. Even so, what if Palestinain kids don't have chips while they're watching a mickey mouse look alike indoctrinate them in the creed of killing jews to be their highest calling??

Again the question, do you think restrictions would be eased, even lifted entirely, if Hamas and company would cease it's war against Israel and preaching the dogmatic theme of exterminating the Jews??

 

[IPorange]

keep spinning but your point was wrong. Unless you really believe potato chips are a threat to Israeli national security.

and concrete and steel are used to build most buildings, bunkers or schools and hospitals

He's never wrong.

 

[gsvol]

He's never wrong.

Oh wait, it's terrible the people of Gaza are being denied junk food, I don't care if Michelle does say it causes obesity.

 

[utvolpj]

Despite what some uninformed, idiotic posters would have you believe, the people of Gaza are not being denied anything other than items Hamas desires to use to harm or exterminate the citizens of Israel.

Oh wait, it's terrible the people of Gaza are being denied junk food, I don't care if Michelle does say it causes obesity.

so are they being denied something other than "items Hamas desires to use to harm or exterminate the citizens of Israel" or are they shooting Ruffles rockets. Are the Pringles cans are being used for mortars?

Top secret Hamas video just released:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkkOUPYNs7I

 

[gsvol]

so are they being denied something other than "items Hamas desires to use to harm or exterminate the citizens of Israel" or are they shooting Ruffles rockets. Are the Pringles cans are being used for mortars?

Top secret Hamas video just released:

YouTube - Mentos and diet coke

I don't know what hamas puts in their pringle cans but for those who send care packages to our own troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, beer cans fit in nicely.

You'll have to tell me what is in your video, this computer doesn't do youtube.

If you think for one instant you are going to get sympathy from me that the people of Gaza are being oppressed be advised you will get about as much sympathy as any cockroach I might find in my kitchen.

 

[gsvol]

American Thinker: Report: Obama said 'I Am a Muslim'

 

[gsvol]

He's never wrong.

So where am I wrong on this issue Mr. snide remark??

A Turkish Religion of Peace rally in support of "aid" flotillas to Gaza.

I'm told that the banner translation is an expression
of gratitude, meaning "let health come to your hands."

Here are your humanitarian pacifists at work:

From an IDF Soldier Who Was on the Flotilla | NewsReal Blog

My commander was the first soldier that rappelled down from the helicopter to the ship. When he touched ground, he got hit in the head with a pole and stabbed in the stomach with a knife.

When he drew out his secondary weapon-a handgun (his primary weapon was a regular paintball gun: “Tippman 98 custom”) he was shot in the leg. He managed to fire a single shot before he was tossed from the balcony by 4 Arab activists, to the lower deck (a 12 feet fall). He was then dragged by other activists to a room in the lower deck were he was stripped down by 2 activists.

They took off his vest, helmet and shirt, leaving him with only his pants and shoes on. When they finished they took a knife and expanded the wound he already had in his stomach. They cut his ab muscles horizontally and by hand spilled his guts out. When they finished they raised him up and walked him on the deck outside.

He was conscious the whole time. If you are asking yourself why they did all that, here comes the reason. They wanted to show the soldiers their commander’s body so they will be demoralized and scared. Luckily, when they walked him on the deck a soldier saw him and managed to shoot the activist that was walking him down the outside corridor. He shot him with a special non-lethal bullet that didn’t kill him.

My commander managed to jump from the deck to the water and swim to an army rescue boat (his guts still out of his body, and now in salty sea water). That was how he was saved.

The activists that did this to him are alive, now in Turkey, and treated as heroes.

Tell me about it Mr Knowitall!!!

People fighting for their chance at survival and the way things are going you will find yourself in the same postition before you die, don't look to me for sympathy, you will have brought much of it upon your own self by your own ignorance and denial of the truth that is at hand.

My advice to the israelis, ditch the paint guns, these freaks ain't playing.

Mosqueteers trained from infancy.

A school child in Israel hiding under his desk during a Hamas rocket attack.

Tell me more about being wrong IP, I dare you!!

 

[BoseefusTheVol]

So where am I wrong on this issue Mr. snide remark??

A Turkish Religion of Peace rally in support of "aid" flotillas to Gaza.

I'm told that the banner translation is an expression
of gratitude, meaning "let health come to your hands."

Here are your humanitarian pacifists at work:

From an IDF Soldier Who Was on the Flotilla | NewsReal Blog



Tell me about it Mr Knowitall!!!

People fighting for their chance at survival and the way things are going you will find yourself in the same postition before you die, don't look to me for sympathy, you will have brought much of it upon your own self by your own ignorance and denial of the truth that is at hand.

My advice to the israelis, ditch the paint guns, these freaks ain't playing.

Mosqueteers trained from infancy.

A school child in Israel hiding under his desk during a Hamas rocket attack.

Tell me more about being wrong IP, I dare you!!

Rachel Corrie??!! Or was she a communist libtard?
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[MG1968]

Rachel Corrie was a dumbass peacenik too stupid to get out of the way of a bulldozer.

though I have heard that the 'dozers Israel uses to demolish the homes of terrorists are jet powered and nearly as maneuverable as light cycles from the movie "Tron".

 

[gsvol]

Rachel Corrie was a dumbass peacenik too stupid to get out of the way of a bulldozer.

though I have heard that the 'dozers Israel uses to demolish the homes of terrorists are jet powered and nearly as maneuverable as light cycles from the movie "Tron".

Hamas demomlishes more homes in gaza that Israel ever did and I am still more than a little pissed off that Israel gave over control of Bethlehem to the so-called palestinians. Damned muslim terrorists!



http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.co...ans-are-top-activists-in-gaza-flotilla-group/

Another thing that pisses me off is the obvious ignorance of the people here in America as to what is going on, notwithstanding those who are beyond ignorance such as the poseur bopeepus who is about as close to Hank Jr as Norman Einstein is to Dale Dribble.