Israel invades Lebanon.

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EasternVol said:
That's difficult to say since there's not an analogous area in Israel like Gaza. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
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It’s not difficult at all for anyone who is being honest. The two only coexist in Israeli controlled areas.

When Israeli’s do attack Arabs in Israel, they’re charged and convicted by the israeli government. Do you think Hamas is doing the same? What about Fatah?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Not military. There have been examples of tourists taking wrong turns and being attacked. Same with Israelis being attacked.

Here’s an example, although the man escaped. Overall they’re not overly common because the IDF has things well posted with signs that read “we cannot guarantee your safety if you go beyond this point”.

Palestinians torch Israeli bus after driver takes wrong turn in East Jerusalem
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That's hardly murder now is it?
How about those recent settler attacks in the West Bank huh? Israelis attacking Arabs there, so who's not safe where?
 
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Vol8188 said:
It’s not difficult at all for anyone who is being honest. The two only coexist in Israeli controlled areas.

When Israeli’s do attack Arabs in Israel, they’re charged and convicted by the israeli government. Do you think Hamas is doing the same? What about Fatah?
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Are you really sure about the first sentence of your second paragraph?
 
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Vol8188 said:
My favorite part is the false “refugee” claims. You don’t get to call yourself a 3rd/4th/5th/etc generation refugee. Or proclaim you’ve been a refugee for nearly 100 years.

At some point, you just live somewhere else now.
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Yeah, I remember making that same argument over a decade ago. But then I learned a bit more and then about 4 years ago I met a guy who's wife grew up in East Jerusalem but ended up not being able to return to see her parents because she had gone to school in the US. I think things have sort of eased up recently, but this BS about 34r/4th/5th generation stuff is propaganda at worst or an exaggeration at best.
 
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EasternVol said:
That's hardly murder now is it?
How about those recent settler attacks in the West Bank huh? Israelis attacking Arabs there, so who's not safe where?
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You mean the Israelis who are charged with murder? When does that happen under Hamas?

Can you find me a single example of any Palestinian ever being charged for murdering an Israeli by a Palestinian govenrment?
 
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EasternVol said:
Are you really sure about the first sentence of your second paragraph?
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Sure. I could even provide examples. Can you find me a single example of a Palestinian charged by a Palestinian government for killing an Israeli?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You mean the Israelis who are charged with murder? When does that happen under Hamas?

Can you find me a single example of any Palestinian ever being charged for murdering an Israeli by a Palestinian govenrment?
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You just referenced East Jerusalem. Hamas is in Gaza. When was an Israeli murdered in Gaza? If there's a murder in the West Bank the Israelis make arrests.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
1) Pakistan at least tried to make a plausible claim that they didn’t know that UBL was in the country. They also have nukes and share a border and relationship with the Chinese military. There was also a strong relationship between senior CIA leadership and ISI going back to the Soviet invasion.

2) Taliban leadership was there to greet UBL when he landed from the Sudan. He gave an interview to ABC news….on Afghan soil. He hunted with members of their senior leadership. AQ killed ASM as a favor to them. They had no nukes and little relationship with the Chinese. They were also technically enemies of Russia who were now supporting Massoud through Uzbekistan and had not forgotten that several high ranking Taliban leaders were old war dogs from the 80s who had spilled Soviet blood. Treating Pakistan the same as Afghanistan was never an option.

Any other questions I can answer for you?
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None of what you posted either justified our decision to go into Afghanistan or explained why we should not have gone after Pakistan or KSA. In fact, for you to say with a straight face that the Pakistanis "tried to make a plausible claim" that they were unaware OBL was in their country tells me enough in your very first sentence. You are a snake that hides behind lawyerly phrasing and loopholes.

And WTF does Pakistan having nukes and having a border have to do with anything? It still doesn't excuse them from harboring a terrorist.

But lastly, to your cynical question at the end, explain to me why the ringleader and most of the hijackers come from KSA, yet we made it a priority to work with the KSA to shuttle the ringleaders family safely out of the US and into their arms.
 
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EasternVol said:
You just referenced East Jerusalem. Hamas is in Gaza. When was an Israeli murdered in Gaza? If there's a murder in the West Bank the Israelis make arrests.
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I didn’t limit the question to hamas nor East Jerusalem. But you’re “gotcha” attempt, was adorable.

Can you find me any example of Palestinian’s charging one of their own for murdering an Israeli?

It seems
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
None of what you posted either justified our decision to go into Afghanistan or explained why we should not have gone after Pakistan or KSA. In fact, for you to say with a straight face that the Pakistanis "tried to make a plausible claim" that they were unaware OBL was in their country tells me enough in your very first sentence. You are a snake that hides behind lawyerly phrasing and loopholes.

And WTF does Pakistan having nukes and having a border have to do with anything? It still doesn't excuse them from harboring a terrorist.

But lastly, to your cynical question at the end, explain to me why the ringleader and most of the hijackers come from KSA, yet we made it a priority to work with the KSA to shuttle the ringleaders family safely out of the US and into their arms.
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If you don’t understand why we would treat a country with nukes differently than one without then perhaps you should steer clear of conversations about geopolitics. And I didn’t say we treated them differently because they have a border. I said they have a border and close relationship with China. Who would have absolutely balked at a US invasion of their nuclear armed neighbor. As to your last question, we assisted with getting them Home because the Bush family has been neck deep with the Kingdom since the 70s. Duh…….
 
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Vol8188 said:
I didn’t limit the question to hamas nor East Jerusalem. But you’re “gotcha” attempt, was adorable.

Can you find me any example of Palestinian’s charging one of their own for murdering an Israeli?

It seems
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When you ask 'when does that happen under Hamas' yes it does limit it to Gaza since Hamas isn't the figurehead authority in the WB.
You started by referring to Palestinian territory, which is WB and Gaza (post 181), then you removed WB (post 193), then you added back the WB, so pardon me if I didn't reply to what's in your mind since that's difficult to discern.
If an Israeli is murdered in Gaza or the WB the Israelis are immediately involved and make the arrest(s) or kill the perpetrator(s). So the PA or Hamas doesn't get the opportunity to investigate and arrest. That's not to say that they would act as police should, but as far as I know it's not been tested.
 
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EasternVol said:
When you ask 'when does that happen under Hamas' yes it does limit it to Gaza since Hamas isn't the figurehead authority in the WB.
You started by referring to Palestinian territory, which is WB and Gaza (post 181), then you removed WB (post 193), then you added back the WB, so pardon me if I didn't reply to what's in your mind since that's difficult to discern.
If an Israeli is murdered in Gaza or the WB the Israelis are immediately involved and make the arrest(s) or kill the perpetrator(s). So the PA or Hamas doesn't get the opportunity to investigate and arrest. That's not to say that they would act as police should, but as far as I know it's not been tested.
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Go back and read again. I didn’t limit the question to just hamas. I also asked under any Palestinian government. You seem to be ignoring that, intentionally.

So you have 0 examples of Palestinian government charging Palestinians for violence against Israelis in any territory they control? Do you think it just never happens or do you think the government doesn’t care?
 
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sonofUT62 said:
If you don’t understand why we would treat a country with nukes differently than one without then perhaps you should steer clear of conversations about geopolitics.
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And you say that at a time when we are fighting a proxy war with Russia and setting the stage for another war with China.

Maybe it is someone else that needs to steer clear away from geopolitical discussions. And incidentally, your comments about treating nuclear armed countries differently is exactly why countries are justified in pursuing nuclear weapons... Because it may help prevent them from being the next Iraq. Afghanistan or Libya.
 
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Vol8188 said:
My favorite part is the false “refugee” claims. You don’t get to call yourself a 3rd/4th/5th/etc generation refugee. Or proclaim you’ve been a refugee for nearly 100 years.

At some point, you just live somewhere else now.
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Also coming back to this... it's funny that we seem to get butthurt about 3rd/4th/5th generation Palestinians returning home, but you can have anyone from Russia, Germany, the US or wherever that is Jewish with no recent ties to the land (possibly further back than 5 generations) being able to get citizenship and travel as they please unmolested.

Again, the logical acrobatics and mind bending that goes on with some of you people is incredible.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Also coming back to this... it's funny that we seem to get butthurt about 3rd/4th/5th generation Palestinians returning home, but you can have anyone from Russia, Germany, the US or wherever that is Jewish with no recent ties to the land (possibly further back than 5 generations) being able to get citizenship and travel as they please unmolested.

Again, the logical acrobatics and mind bending that goes on with some of you people is incredible.
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Isn’t it fair to state that a good chunk of the aid sent to Palestine is to support “refugees” and wasn’t aid your objection to Israel?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And you say that at a time when we are fighting a proxy war with Russia and setting the stage for another war with China.

Maybe it is someone else that needs to steer clear away from geopolitical discussions. And incidentally, your comments about treating nuclear armed countries differently is exactly why countries are justified in pursuing nuclear weapons... Because it may help prevent them from being the next Iraq. Afghanistan or Libya.
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Your double standard strikes again, because you left off the: biggest, most recent, and ongoing example of what not having nukes does for a country: Ukraine.

and thats even with a diplomatic agreement with Russia to maintain the Ukrainian borders.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Go back and read again. I didn’t limit the question to just hamas. I also asked under any Palestinian government. You seem to be ignoring that, intentionally.

So you have 0 examples of Palestinian government charging Palestinians for violence against Israelis in any territory they control? Do you think it just never happens or do you think the government doesn’t care?
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Post 213: 'when does that happen under Hamas?'.
Reread the post you just replied to concerning Palestinian police arrests, or lack thereof, of murderers of Israelis.
 
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