Israel vs Palestinians

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NashVol11 said:
I said “Muslims aren’t cavemen or lesser people” in response to someone saying they only understand money and fear, and multiple people felt the need to push back on what I said and not what I quoted
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For clarity in the discussion you and I are having, I never made the leap from "understand money and fear" to "caveman or lesser people".
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The law is pretty simple.
If you’ve been kidnapped and you kill your attacker in your escape then it’s legally self defense.

Police rescuing the kidnappers attempt to take them with killing them.

All the BS he’s was playing is just that. BS
Just as the other poster was saying…..when you’re driven by hate for anything Israel you make some really stupid arguments.
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You're projecting again.
 
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volfanhill said:
No, like white supremacists who think they are better than a large segment of the population, should be able to restrict the rights of a large segment of the population, and believe that a large segment of the population shouldn't have a voice in their countries governance. That kind.
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Arguing about “kind” while making a white supremacist argument yourself is certainly something. Humans are humans, trying to argue that certain humans have inherently more value leads down a pretty dark path that is largely staffed by white supremacists lol
 
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utvolpj said:
There're a case to be made that those who would take away the basic human rights and freedoms of others are inferior. The govt systems pushed by most Muslim countries are absolutely inferior if basic human rights and freedoms are important.
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This is nowhere close to what I said though
 
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NashVol11 said:
Arguing about “kind” while making a white supremacist argument yourself is certainly something. Humans are humans, trying to argue that certain humans have inherently more value leads down a pretty dark path that is largely staffed by white supremacists lol
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See my post above to McDad. We all have the same inherent worth. But to argue that having the view that half the world population should be subservient to you bc of their genitals is most certainly caveman belief. Much like believing you are better than someone bc of your skin tone. Do all Muslims believe that woman are inferior? I would say no. But the ones that do have a lot in common with white supremacits regarding the treamant of others. And should be told as much. Just like most do with openly racust f-heads. Same goes for those practicing "Christian" groups that believe similarly.
 
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volfanhill said:
See my post above to McDad. We all have the same inherent worth. But to argue that having the view that half the world population should be subservient to you bc of their genitals is most certainly caveman belief. Much like believing you are better than someone bc of your skin tone. Do all Muslims believe that woman are inferior? I would say no. But the ones that do have a lot in common with white supremacits regarding the treamant of others. And should be told as much. Just like most do with openly racust f-heads. Same goes for those practicing "Christian" groups that believe similarly.
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Racism and sexism are different branches from the tree of ignorance.
 
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volfanhill said:
See my post above to McDad. We all have the same inherent worth. But to argue that having the view that half the world population should be subservient to you bc of their genitals is most certainly caveman belief. Much like believing you are better than someone bc of your skin tone. Do all Muslims believe that woman are inferior? I would say no. But the ones that do have a lot in common with white supremacits regarding the treamant of others. And should be told as much. Just like most do with openly racust f-heads. Same goes for those practicing "Christian" groups that believe similarly.
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I don’t disagree with most of this, I just think “some/many Muslims have outdated views regarding women” is different from saying “they are cavemen” as a group, or saying they only understand money and fear like the person I was responding to
 
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EasternVol said:
So, cops or friends and family go into a house and find the kidnapper asleep in a different room than the kidnapped. Is it justified to use the kidnapper for target practice?
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If the kidnapper wakes and reaches or does anything but comply with orders yes.......

He or she has put everyone in that scenario in danger because of his or her actions, if he or she does not comply with commands and does anything but comply then yes, it is justified.


You are making this far too complicated.
 
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utvolpj said:
There're a case to be made that those who would take away the basic human rights and freedoms of others are inferior. The govt systems pushed by most Muslim countries are absolutely inferior if basic human rights and freedoms are important.
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Who installed most of those governments?
 
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volfanhill said:
See my post above to McDad. We all have the same inherent worth. But to argue that having the view that half the world population should be subservient to you bc of their genitals is most certainly caveman belief. Much like believing you are better than someone bc of your skin tone. Do all Muslims believe that woman are inferior? I would say no. But the ones that do have a lot in common with white supremacits regarding the treamant of others. And should be told as much. Just like most do with openly racust f-heads. Same goes for those practicing "Christian" groups that believe similarly.
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Isn't 'barefoot and pregnant' a Christian thing? The point being that per scripture, Christianity isn't feminist.
 
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EasternVol said:
Isn't 'barefoot and pregnant' a Christian thing? The point being that per scripture, Christianity isn't feminist.
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That was intriguing so I looked it up.

From Wiki:
"Barefoot and pregnant" is a figure of speech most commonly associated with the idea that women should not work outside the home and should have many children during their reproductive years.

The phrase "barefoot and pregnant" seems to have been introduced in the early twentieth century by the American doctor Arthur E. Hertzler from Kansas, who said: "Some vulgar person has said that when the wife is kept barefooted and pregnant there are no divorces."[1] By the mid 20th century, the phrase had passed into common parlance, so much so that an article from 1949 states: "By early 1949, TWA was—in the words of its new president, Ralph S. Damon—both 'barefoot and pregnant.'"[2]

The variation "barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" has been associated with the phrase "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" (translated "children, kitchen, church"), used under the German Empire to describe a woman's role in society. A comparable phrase, "Good Wife, Wise Mother", emerged in Meiji-period Japan (1868–1912).[3][4]
 
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KB5252 said:
If the kidnapper wakes and reaches or does anything but comply with orders yes.......

He or she has put everyone in that scenario in danger because of his or her actions, if he or she does not comply with commands and does anything but comply then yes, it is justified.


You are making this far too complicated.
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I agree with all except the last sentence. It's not me coming up with 57 different scenarios.
 
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www.politico.com

So, once again Hamas is the holdup on the ceasefire deal.
Maybe we should just let this play out without us or our funding. They want to kill each other. Let’s let them have what they want.
 
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