Israel vs Palestinians

[EasternVol]

Lmfao just assume your kidnapper is benevolent

Your takes get dumber by the day. You have no right to take someone against their will.

They have every right to respond with violence if you do so

You seem fired up. Been eating paste again?
For the (innumerable)th time, you missed the point.

 

[KB5252]

It would depend on the situation. If the kidnapper had a weapon trained on the victim there'd be more reason to assume a threat to the victim's life than if the kidnapper was in a different room taking a nap.

If they had you restrained and unable to leave what would you suppose the end game to be? A reasonable person would have to come to the conclusion there is basis for a person to believe their life or well being is in danger.

 

[McDad]

Actions are louder than threats. A strong response lasts far longer than negotiations.

Agreed. But we are no longer talking about having to make threats, at least from my position. We are talking about the real threat of deadly force used as a tool to facilitate release of hostages. In the end, that is all I care about.

 

[EasternVol]

If they had you restrained and unable to leave what would you suppose the end game to be? A reasonable person would have to come to the conclusion there is basis for a person to believe their life or well being is in danger.

As I see it, the main factor is a reasonable perception that someone's life is in immediate danger. I think I missed the 'immediate' part earlier. It's like justification for shooting in self defense. If the bad guy's facing and moving away from you then it's not justified.

 

[KB5252]

As I see it, the main factor is a reasonable perception that someone's life is in immediate danger. I think I missed the 'immediate' part earlier. It's like justification for shooting in self defense. If the bad guy's facing and moving away from you then it's not justified.

If you're being held against your will.... kidnapped and unlawfully imprisoned......if the fool turn his back so you can kill him to escape the justification is abundantly clear.

Would you convict or condemn someone for doing this for self preservation? Better question would you seize the moment and kill your captor if given an opportunity or would you wait it out until you have a better grasp of what their intentions for you were? That is assuming the person who kidnapped and imprisoned you would even be honest about their intentions.

Are we really debating if the person might have harmless intentions?

 

[CobbVol]

It would depend on the situation. If the kidnapper had a weapon trained on the victim there'd be more reason to assume a threat to the victim's life than if the kidnapper was in a different room taking a nap.

When do you bring in your social worker to determine intent of the criminal?

 

[jp1]

Being opposed to anything Israeli, puts some posters in precarious arguments.

 

[norrislakevol]

We don't have the money, bro. We're already trillions in the hole fighting them and we didn't make a dent

That's because we do it the wrong way. We could do it for 1/10th the cost.

 

[norrislakevol]

This is stupid, Muslims aren’t cavemen or lesser people

The Islamists are stuck in the 7th century.

 

[LadyVolette]

Lmfao just assume your kidnapper is benevolent

Your takes get dumber by the day. You have no right to take someone against their will.

They have every right to respond with violence if you do so

IKR it’s a kidnapper they could be crazy and nice one day and sicko things or is planning to s3x traffic you and doesn’t want to put marks on you .. I have never heard of an abduction where they take you to get highlights and buy cute summer clothes …anyone who has taken somewhere against your will does not have your best interests at heart and they deserve what they get.. how is this even a discussion?

 

[LadyVolette]

Holding someone against their will could be considered an imminent threat couldn't it?

The person being held has no idea what the end game is, they would most certainly consider their lives and well being at risk no?

IKR do y’all not watch Dateline? You never, ever let someone take you away from where you were if they are going to kill you, let them do it there.. at least everyone will know what happened and be able to find your body.. if you are abducted, you will be dead for certain.. also they can’t rape you on the street (one would think)....never, ever go to a second location

 

[EasternVol]

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[EasternVol]

If you're being held against your will.... kidnapped and unlawfully imprisoned......if the fool turn his back so you can kill him to escape the justification is abundantly clear.

Would you convict or condemn someone for doing this for self preservation? Better question would you seize the moment and kill your captor if given an opportunity or would you wait it out until you have a better grasp of what their intentions for you were? That is assuming the person who kidnapped and imprisoned you would even be honest about their intentions.

Are we really debating if the person might have harmless intentions?

All that would depend on the circumstances. There are a lot of possibilities.

 

[EasternVol]

When do you bring in your social worker to determine intent of the criminal?

After they're finished at your house.

 

[jp1]

This stupid abduction discussion wouldn't even be happening if it was the other way around.

 

[Orangeslice13]

This is stupid, Muslims aren’t cavemen or lesser people

It does make you wonder what the hell happened in history. There was a time when the Islamic people were the most technologically and culturally advanced. Now a significant number of them are very tribal and oppress the advancement of culture and technology.

 

[85SugarVol]

It would depend on the situation. If the kidnapper had a weapon trained on the victim there'd be more reason to assume a threat to the victim's life than if the kidnapper was in a different room taking a nap.

This wild. I realize which thread we’re in, but this is wild.

 

[85SugarVol]

Being opposed to anything Israeli, puts some posters in precarious arguments.

Please, young lady, tell the Court why you were justified in killing your kidnapper while they were holding you against your will?

 

[EasternVol]

This wild. I realize which thread we’re in, but this is wild.

So, cops or friends and family go into a house and find the kidnapper asleep in a different room than the kidnapped. Is it justified to use the kidnapper for target practice?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Holy moving goalposts Batman

 

[EasternVol]

Holy moving goalposts Batman

That's been the discussion.

 

[85SugarVol]

So, cops or friends and family go into a house and find the kidnapper asleep in a different room than the kidnapped. Is it justified to use the kidnapper for target practice?

I thought I was the kidnapped in the scenario.

Can you kill a kidnapper if you have no valid reason to think the kidnapper is an imminent threat to the life of the kidnapped, you, or someone else?

If my kidnapper is taking naps in the other room, I’m definitely waiting for that before I strike and attempt to escape.

If you’re defining rules of engagement for 3rd parties seeking to liberate the kidnapped, then your position is easier for me to digest.

I doubt I would grant as much leeway to the kidnapper, though.

 

[Vol8188]

Please, young lady, tell the Court why you were justified in killing your kidnapper while they were holding you against your will?

“Ma’am, your rapist finished. You were not in any imminent danger after he finished”-EV

 

[volfanhill]

This is stupid, Muslims aren’t cavemen or lesser people

Would you consider their general views on women's roles in society to be caveman like?

 

[85SugarVol]

Would you consider their general views on women's roles in society to be caveman like?

How about their views on the LGB community.