Israel vs Palestinians

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utvolpj said:
Replace aipac with mic and no one has an issue and there's sure to be a few in agreement. Are there jews in the mic? Am I now antisemitic by calling out the mic?

Damn woke right showing out when you dare mention a country
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Is MIC synonymous with Jews? Come on.
 
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utvolpj said:
Why do you think they matters to my thoughts on American tax dollars?

If you can't criticize Israel without being antisemitic then they are a theocracy
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Let's get worked up about the amount spent supporting Israel and their survival, then put your head in the sand as a communist ticket is about to be elected increasing spending and tax burdens on all Americans. Smart play.
 
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CobbVol said:
Let's get worked up about the amount spent supporting Israel and their survival, then put your head in the sand as a communist ticket is about to be elected increasing spending and tax burdens on all Americans. Smart play.
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I could be wrong but I don't get the impression he's a Harris supporter.
 
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CobbVol said:
He is not. He is going to probably write in Ron Paul, speak of utopia, and then say I did not vote for any of this. Unfortunately, that approach is a sure fire win for the Kamala camp.
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That's as tired an excuse as there is.... It's exactly this false reasoning that the establishment uses to give you the illusion of choice. That may be true for one ....or two election cycles but there are just as many people who lean left that feel these candidates don't represent them....... None of us are that special, people on the left and right have much more in common beyond the wedge issues.
 
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CobbVol said:
He is not. He is going to probably write in Ron Paul, speak of utopia, and then say I did not vote for any of this. Unfortunately, that approach is a sure fire win for the Kamala camp.
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If you're trying to flatter me by claiming I'll cast a more intelligent vote than you then I'll accept it
 
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utvolpj said:
Again, if that's the case then when can criticism of Israel every not be antisemitic? Please link me to the rules because it seems they're being made up as we go.

Everyone who disagrees is racist antisemitic
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AIPAC should be registered under FARA.
- completely legitimate critique

AIPAC (Jews) own Congress.
- age old antisemitic trope

You can criticize Israel.
You can criticize AIPAC.
Don’t traffic in tropes.
 
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CobbVol said:
So? Some in this country want the only democracy in the ME to be removed off the map. They pray, lobby for it, and protest for it every day. Just vote for the opposing politician they want.
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So? So the assertion replied to isn't accurate. Your point is a different matter.
 
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CobbVol said:
Let's get worked up about the amount spent supporting Israel and their survival, then put your head in the sand as a communist ticket is about to be elected increasing spending and tax burdens on all Americans. Smart play.
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85SugarVol said:
AIPAC should be registered under FARA.
- completely legitimate critique

AIPAC (Jews) own Congress.
- age old antisemitic trope

You can criticize Israel.
You can criticize AIPAC.
Don’t traffic in tropes.
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I say the same thing about other orgs as well. If you use the exact same language but some only freak out when you dare call them out it's not a legit criticism. Sorry, it's just not. All you calling me a bigot or antisemitic for daring to challenge oh sacred and mythical Israel are no different than the woke "everyone is racist" left.
 
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utvolpj said:
I say the same thing about other orgs as well. If you use the exact same language but some only freak out when you dare call them out it's not a legit criticism. Sorry, it's just not. All you calling me a bigot or antisemitic for daring to challenge oh sacred and mythical Israel are no different than the woke "everyone is racist" left.
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You keep trying to go back to the “it’s racist” angle. You must think it’s a winner - Sorry, it’s just not (see how easy that is?)

Saying the MIC owns Congress is not antisemitic.
Saying Jews (AIPAC) own Congress is an old as it gets trope.

Call Israel fascist. Compare them to South African apartheid. Say they don’t value Palestinian life.

That’s all a matter of opinion, but none of that is antisemitic.

Don’t traffic in tropes.
It’s pretty simple.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
AIPAC is just one lobbying group among many. It is a strong group backed by a large number of American Jewish voters but they don’t „own“ Congress. Claims that Jews excercise excessive influence beyond their numbers is a classic hallmark of antisemitism
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You might want to look at AIPAC's donations to opponents of Congressional candidates they don't like. They are quite influential in that respect.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You keep trying to go back to the “it’s racist” angle. You must think it’s a winner - Sorry, it’s just not (see how easy that is?)

Saying the MIC owns Congress is not antisemitic.
Saying Jews (AIPAC) own Congress is an old as it gets trope.

Call Israel fascist. Compare them to South African apartheid. Say they don’t value Palestinian life.

That’s all a matter of opinion, but none of that is antisemitic.

Don’t traffic in tropes.
It’s pretty simple.
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You think calling a legit criticism a trope is working. Aipac is supposed legit lobbying group. Criticism of them is not antisemitic just because they happen to be jews. In fact I've said nothing about them being Jews. My criticism is the influence they have on all of Congress and the fact they should have to register under FARA.

This is exactly how the left calling everyone a racist works. You're forced to defend yourself instead of debating the actual topic. It's a terrible tactic
 
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utvolpj said:
That's because he's just not very smart. He can sell himself like no one else but in the end there's really no substance
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No, it’s a considered tactic he employs. Don’t be fooled by Trump’s construction worker level rhetoric. He is a crafty SOB. Vain and narcissistic yes (though very nice in person) but quite smart and with an almost supernatural sense of the public mind. You simply don’t survive, much less thrive against the Jewish real estate mafia of NYC without being both smarter than the average bear and more ruthless.

We dealt with him a number of times when I was a party leader and the firm I work with now represented him.

If you think Trump is rough, you should meet Catsimatidis, who looks and sounds like a slob but is also sharp as a razor blade and with all of its gentle sensibilities. 😝
 
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Gandalf said:
No, it’s a considered tactic he employs. Don’t be fooled by Trump’s construction worker level rhetoric. He is a crafty SOB. Vain and narcissistic yes (though very nice in person) but quite smart and with an almost supernatural sense of the public mind. You simply don’t survive, much less thrive against the Jewish real estate mafia of NYC without being both smarter than the average bear and more ruthless.

We dealt with him a number of times when I was a party leader and the firm I work with now represented him.

If you think Trump is rough, you should meet Catsimatidis, who looks and sounds like a slob but is also sharp as a razor blade and with all of its gentle sensibilities. 😝
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I’ve heard that also, in person very nice.. he played golf in Arrington awhile back, and that was the general consensus
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
At the gym today watching CNN and FOX side by side. CNN and FOX both referred to the 'killing' of Nasrallah. Christiana Ammonpour repeatedly referred to the 'assassination' of Nasrallah. She's a scumbag. Always has been.
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They'd stone her to death if she lived there and acted the same. She has no loyalty.
 
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I continued searching for lobbies this morning. I am really curious if there is any substance to the claims AIPAC is the "strongest" and "owns" Congress or if those are simply parroted prejudice repeated in the blind.

I googled various descriptors in front of the word "lobby". Such as, "strongest", "most influential", "most effective", "largest", and "lobby with the best track record of favorable votes". The only resources (Open Secrets is usually the top hit) are listing results based on money spent / contributed.

Chamber of Commerce, Realtors, and Pharma are the strongest and most owning based on money spent.

If those who have a better understanding (@utvolpj and others) will direct me to something I can read while I work (video and audio no bueno), I would appreciate it.
 
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utvolpj said:
I say the same thing about other orgs as well. If you use the exact same language but some only freak out when you dare call them out it's not a legit criticism. Sorry, it's just not. All you calling me a bigot or antisemitic for daring to challenge oh sacred and mythical Israel are no different than the woke "everyone is racist" left.
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The left and the right are the same thing. One's devoted to a people in the ME that they think are "God's chosen", the others devoted to every minority on the face of the earth. Critical thinking goes into the toilet when all of these overemotional weenies start to get involved, and the American taxpayer suffers mightily as a result.
 
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