Israel vs Palestinians

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Vol8188 said:
I’m open
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Me too. Dont want boots on the ground, or US men and women in harms way unless unavoidable tactically (like AAA danger in airstrikes is a calculated risk...prefer Tomahawks tho) and 100% regardless DO NOT want to pay to rebuild their dang country. Nation building does NOT work in the sandbox...and if we haven't figured that out by now then we never will.
 
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This notion of AIPAC's strength and ownership of Congress is new to me. According to wiki:
The Israel lobby are individuals and groups seeking to influence the United States government to better serve Israel's interests. The largest pro-Israel lobbying group is Christians United for Israel with over seven million members.[1] The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is a leading organization within the lobby, speaking on behalf of a coalition of pro-Israel American Jewish groups.

The Israel lobby has funded primary campaigns against members of both parties who are viewed as hostile to Israel's interests.

AIPAC is an organization of the actual lobby. The lobby is CUI (Christian United for Israel). But it looks like both AIPAC and CIU lobby on behalf of Jewish Americans.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
It certainly could be considered so I would think. So, if Russia gives U.S. enemies in the middle east long-range missiles and they target nuclear facilities in the U.S., would the U.S. consider that nuclear war?

The U.S. is involved on both sides of this conflict.

There really isn't much thinking going on if this were to come to pass, imo.
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Very few will cry if Iran's nuclear facilities are wiped out. Russia has little to give right now because they are being bled dry. The U.S. can just blow up those missiles before they are active if they want if they are transferred to the ME. Nuclear war! Nuclear war! Not gonna happen.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If a country openly calls for your destruction and is trying to build nuclear weapons, you 100% should destroy their capability to do so.
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Isn't there another 500B of theirs we have in frozen assets and/or cash that needs to be returned? We can start there.
 
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utvolpj said:
Congrats on the same logic race hustlers use. Try to stifle discussion by calling others names. It's pathetic when they do it and it's pathetic here
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I am really sad that you cannot see the connections more clearly.
The Jew as puppet master trope is among the oldest in human history. And trust me, it never ends well.
Antisemitism is mankind’s oldest surviving mind virus and the gateway infection starts with a belief of the Jew in the background pulling the strings to the detriment of the nation into which they have emigrated
 
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85SugarVol said:
You literally typed this out.


AIPAC is Jews.

“Jews own Congress”

Lmaooooooo
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It's super weird for this brand of bigotry to be ok while others are not.

I still cannot find anything credible or non partisan which confirms AIPAC's or CUI's strength or ownership of congress.

In fact, compared to other lobbies, they seem to be relatively mundane in money and influence.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You literally typed this out.


AIPAC is Jews.

“Jews own Congress”

Lmaooooooo
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So there's no way to criticize Israel or aipac without being antisemitic? Do you see how ridiculous that is?

This had nothing to do with them being Jews. I'd say the same if they were Canadians
 
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McDad said:
It's super weird for this brand of bigotry to be ok while others are not.

I still cannot find anything credible or non partisan which confirms AIPAC's or CUI's strength or ownership of congress.

In fact, compared to other lobbies, they seem to be relatively mundane in money and influence.
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So now I'm a bigot? Just want to be very clear with what you're calling me
 
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utvolpj said:
So now I'm a bigot? Just want to be very clear with what you're calling me
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I've interacted with you for what, a decade or so, now? You don't strike me as racist or bigoted. But that doesn't necessarily mean you aren't repeated bigoted speech.

In my limited digging CIU / AIPAC seems no more nefarious than other lobbyists.
 
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utvolpj said:
So there's no way to criticize Israel or aipac without being antisemitic? Do you see how ridiculous that is?

This had nothing to do with them being Jews. I'd say the same if they were Canadians
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Of course you can be critical of Israel, and Jews for that matter (though the two are fundamentally linked).

This doesn’t necessarily pertain to this antisemitic trope that “Jews control….” But I think it’s illustrative of legitimate criticism, and where it crosses.

One can say they dislike/hate the Israeli Government/State.
One can call them fascist, or fascist-like.
When one chooses to compare them directly to Hitler and the Nazis, they have crossed into antisemitism.

When you essentially say that “Jews own Congress” you are trading in long standing antisemitic tropes.
 
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it's funny how some things are dog whistles and some things are not - would be nice to have some consistency

suggesting "Jews control"...fits the dog whistle criteria but for some reason the people who love to bark about dog whistles (pun) seem to ignore this one.

personally, I always default to intent so I don't accuse dog whistle intentions unless I know them but I'm an outlier
 
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utvolpj said:
So there's no way to criticize Israel or aipac without being antisemitic? Do you see how ridiculous that is?

This had nothing to do with them being Jews. I'd say the same if they were Canadians
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I find it hilarious that any time anyone is critical of Israel or Jewish people, automatic antisemitism. Question anything about the Holocaust? Antisemite. Mention how corrupt many Jews are? Antisemite.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Of course you can be critical of Israel, and Jews for that matter (though the two are fundamentally linked).

This doesn’t necessarily pertain to this antisemitic trope that “Jews control….” But I think it’s illustrative of legitimate criticism, and where it crosses.

One can say they dislike/hate the Israeli Government/State.
One can call them fascist, or fascist-like.
When one chooses to compare them directly to Hitler and the Nazis, they have crossed into antisemitism.

When you essentially say that “Jews own Congress” you are trading in long standing antisemitic tropes.
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Replace aipac with mic and no one has an issue and there's sure to be a few in agreement. Are there jews in the mic? Am I now antisemitic by calling out the mic?

Damn woke right showing out when you dare mention a country
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I find it hilarious that any time anyone is critical of Israel or Jewish people, automatic antisemitism. Question anything about the Holocaust? Antisemite. Mention how corrupt many Jews are? Antisemite.
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So in your opinion Jews are more corrupt than other ethnic groups or races?
 
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CobbVol said:
How many democracies are in the ME and if there are not that many can you also name them?
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Why do you think they matters to my thoughts on American tax dollars?

If you can't criticize Israel without being antisemitic then they are a theocracy
 
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