Israel vs Palestinians

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volgr said:
As I said earlier today, Israel is the strongest lobby in DC and there isnt a close second. Anyone acting like the Biden Admin or Trump admin wont do Israel's bidding, has fooled themselves or fallen for political theater.

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Backing Israel is the establishment position and both candidates are fighting to see who can support that establishment more. It's pathetic but guess it's what we deserve
 
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volgr said:
As I said earlier today, Israel is the strongest lobby in DC and there isnt a close second. Anyone acting like the Biden Admin or Trump admin wont do Israel's bidding, has fooled themselves or fallen for political theater.

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Wow….did you REALLY just go there with the whole “Jews control everything” angle? 😳
 
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utvolpj said:
Aipac owns Congress. That's just fact, not a trope
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AIPAC is just one lobbying group among many. It is a strong group backed by a large number of American Jewish voters but they don’t „own“ Congress. Claims that Jews excercise excessive influence beyond their numbers is a classic hallmark of antisemitism
 
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volgr said:
As I said earlier today, Israel is the strongest lobby in DC and there isnt a close second. Anyone acting like the Biden Admin or Trump admin wont do Israel's bidding, has fooled themselves or fallen for ....
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utvolpj said:
Aipac owns Congress. That's just fact, not a trope
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What metrics are you guys using to make these assertions? Money donated? Key supporters on powerful committees? Something else?

What makes them the strongest? How do they own Congress?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
AIPAC is just one lobbying group among many. It is a strong group backed by a large number of American Jewish voters but they don’t „own“ Congress. Claims that Jews excercise excessive influence beyond their numbers is a classic hallmark of antisemitism
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Aipac is a foreign actor masquerading as a lobbying group. They should have to register as such. Cries of antisemitism are for the weak just like racist. It's not antisemitism to talk about a lobbying group doing the bidding of a foreign country. It's anti-American not to
 
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McDad said:
What metrics are you guys using to make these assertions? Money donated? Key supporters on powerful committees? Something else?

What makes them the strongest? How do they own Congress?
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Listen to Massie discuss them. They have an agent assigned to every member of Congress to make sure the interests of a foreign govt are addressed. It's was pretty eye opening
 
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utvolpj said:
Aipac is a foreign actor masquerading as a lobbying group. They should have to register as such. Cries of antisemitism are for the weak just like racist. It's not antisemitism to talk about a lobbying group doing the bidding of a foreign country. It's anti-American not to
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You know there are lobbyists for Italian Americans, Albanian Americans, Armenian Americans, pretty much ever nationality on the planet? Yet somehow, it is ALWAYS the people lobbying for Israel who get singled out for attention.
I know a lot of people have this viewpoint while not consciously viewing themselves as antisemetic; but it is DANGEROUS and has a very ugly history. I read a lot of European History and this trope stains page after page and if unchecked leads to very bad places.
I just want to wave a warning flag when i hear stuff like this.
Danger; bridge out ahead. Turn around!
 
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utvolpj said:
Listen to Massie discuss them. They have an agent assigned to every member of Congress to make sure the interests of a foreign govt are addressed. It's was pretty eye opening
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Wow, I am more used to hearing stuff like this from Ilhan Omar 😳
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utvolpj said:
Listen to Massie discuss them. They have an agent assigned to every member of Congress to make sure the interests of a foreign govt are addressed. It's was pretty eye opening
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I am not sure I understand fully...they (AIPAC?) have a lobbyist assigned to every member of congress. Which means: they have 435 lobbyists for the House and 100 for the Senate?
they have each lobbyist assigned to multiple Congressional members?
 
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utvolpj said:
Aipac is a foreign actor masquerading as a lobbying group. They should have to register as such. Cries of antisemitism are for the weak just like racist. It's not antisemitism to talk about a lobbying group doing the bidding of a foreign country. It's anti-American not to
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So you used the word "agent" in your reply to me. I assumed that was equivalent to lobbyist.

REading this post makes me think agent, like a spy, is exactly what you meant. Correct?
 
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Yep Israel is gonna kick the sheit out of Iran, as they should. I am not for foreign entanglements generally, foreign wars specifically, and oppose flatly the US financing and arming the war in Ukraine. I support Israel 100% though, and we need to do everything necessary to aid them in the defense of their nation short of starting WW3 etc.

For the most part though, as always, all we really need to do is get out of Israels way and let them do what they do best: kill and destroy stupid Muslims that keep trying to invade their country, attack their citizens, and eradicate them from their homeland.

Biden giving billions and billions of dollars to those azzholes in Iran and Obama being a feckless puss about enforcing their agreement about not enriching Uranium are directly responsible for the sheitshow that is modern Iran...as well as Egypt and the M.E. in general. Barrys closet Muslim loyalties and limpwristed foreign policy made an absolute abortion of decades of hard-won victories in the region for America and the West.

Its not a coincidence that everyone and their brother is trying to take out Israel while we have these Jew hating, degenerate leftist filth running this country. Never in my 47 years of life has there been open antisemitism and proud demonstrations by terrorist organizations on our university campuses and in cities nationwide. As usual, you Leftist filth literally screw up every single thing that you touch. "Tits on a Bull" would be an unfair remark...to the bull, and tits in general. Bulls and tits at least get things done separately when not together...they also both feed people and bring men joy. You stinking Democrats are absolutely detrimental to this nation in every way that matters, individually and especially in groups. Good grief. Bulls and tits beat leftists by a country mile.

Cant wait to see a functioning government in office again, that has any idea whatsoever what the Hell they are doing. This administration and you mental midgets so freaking ignorant or delusional which support it have been an unprecedented embarrassment to this country, our history, the founders, and humanity in general. Shouldn't you guys make a final push to legalize overt child molestation real quick before you get unceremoniously thrown the Hell out of DC? That seems like the logical conclusion to this debacle of a Presidency. Mom and Dad must be proud. Lucifer is surely overjoyed. The rest of us are just hoping this nation can be salvaged over time.
 
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McDad said:
So you used the word "agent" in your reply to me. I assumed that was equivalent to lobbyist.

REading this post makes me think agent, like a spy, is exactly what you meant. Correct?
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No it was a targeted term to invoke FARA. They get around regs by pretending they're just concerned us citizens
 
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utvolpj said:
No it was a targeted term to invoke FARA. They get around regs by pretending they're just concerned us citizens
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I don't know what FARA is.

These agents for AIPAC are volunteers?

Are they US citizens?
 
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