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#26,951
volinbham said:
what I can't find is any account he was "attacked" in the tunnel after the game
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Leyla Hamed is a journalist with 41k followers, and she is reporting it. She may be biased and it may be bad journalism, but she is literally the most trustworthy source on anything I am finding. Looks like she is claiming it took the Tel Aviv team 3 weeks to come up with the "I hope you all die" claim. His Danish team is also denying this allegation

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#26,953
#26,953
volinbham said:
here's one article that at least adds the reason for the investigation

www.telecomasia.net

UEFA Opens Case Against Midtjylland's Aral Şimşir for Pro-Palestinian Slogans

UEFA has initiated a case against Aral Şimşir, a forward for Danish Superliga club Midtjylland, for shouting political slogans during a Europa League match against Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv.
www.telecomasia.net www.telecomasia.net

and this covers what Bama said

thesportsgrail.com

Midtjylland's Aral Simsir being investigated by UEFA for "Free Palestine" slogans vs Maccabi Tel Aviv

UEFA has reportedly opened a case against Aral Simsir, a forward for the Danish Superliga club Midtjylland after his pro-Palestine chants.
thesportsgrail.com thesportsgrail.com

Throughout both halves of the game, it was reported that Şimşir could be heard shouting phrases such as “I hope you die,” “Free Palestine,” and “I hope Israel will burn down,” along with similar anti-Semitic chants directed at the Maccabi players.
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Sportsgrail is just an aggregator, looks like. They probably scraped that detail from Reddit
 
#26,954
#26,954
n_huffhines said:
Layla Hamed is a journalist with 41k followers, and she is reporting it. She may be biased and it may be bad journalism, but she is literally the most trustworthy source on anything I am finding. Looks like she is claiming it took the Tel Aviv team 3 weeks to come up with the "I hope you all die" claim.
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the premise of the Tweet was that the Turk shouldn't be under review but it should be the other team for attacking him. clearly he made the comments during the match and there is a direct rule prohibiting such comments so the review makes perfect sense. the attack claims may or may not be true and may or may not be being investigated but the premise of the Tweet (that the review is aimed at the wrong party) is wrong given everyone acknowledges the Turk made political comments during the match.
 
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#26,955
So the guy that was shouting slogans mid game was totally not trying to instigate in the tunnel?

Sounds to me like the provocateur started something in the tunnel after game. If he was assaulted at all since that appears to be in question.
 
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#26,956
volinbham said:
the premise of the Tweet was that the Turk shouldn't be under review but it should be the other team for attacking him. clearly he made the comments during the match and there is a direct rule prohibiting such comments so the review makes perfect sense. the attack claims may or may not be true and may or may not be being investigated but the premise of the Tweet (that the review is aimed at the wrong party) is wrong given everyone acknowledges the Turk made political comments during the match.
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It said he shouldn't be under review?

Clearly? It's not clear at all.

My takeaway was that it was unfair only one side is under review.
 
#26,957
#26,957
KB5252 said:
So the guy that was shouting slogans mid game was totally not trying to instigate in the tunnel?

Sounds to me like the provocateur started something in the tunnel after game. If he was assaulted at all since that appears to be in question.
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I'm not sure he was assaulted. It says "attacked" in the tweet with zero detail. In the follow up tweet it says he was injured during the game. Hard to say what attacked means in this context. You'd think if he was injured in the tunnel that would be mentioned also.
 
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#26,959
n_huffhines said:
It said he shouldn't be under review?

Clearly? It's not clear at all.

My takeaway was that it was unfair only one side is under review.
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What was alleged to have happened that would require an investigation besides the rule about divisive political slogans being shouted?
 
#26,960
#26,960
volinbham said:
I'm not sure he was assaulted. It says "attacked" in the tweet with zero detail. In the follow up tweet it says he was injured during the game. Hard to say what attacked means in this context. You'd think if he was injured in the tunnel that would be mentioned also.
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I agree. And even if there was a scuffle would that really require an investigation? How many scuffles happen after matches.... probably quite a few.
 
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#26,961
FYI - this is why I said "clearly" about the direction of the alleged injustice. BobSmithWalker is indicating the "investigation" is backwards.

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#26,962
#26,962
volinbham said:
It presents as an injustice towards him. Again - him saying something during the game is agreed upon by all. There is zero indication of what attacked in the tunnel means.
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It's agreed upon that he said "Free Palestine." The other stuff is not clear.

The funny thing is the SportsGrail article cites the journalist I am citing. You mocked my reference to her, and you then quote this media outlet relying on her. 🤣 The article was probably written by AI
 
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#26,963
n_huffhines said:
It's agreed upon that he said "Free Palestine." The other stuff is not clear.

The funny thing is the SportsGrail article cites the journalist I am citing. You mocked my reference to her, and you then quote this media outlet relying on her. 🤣 The article was probably written by AI
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I mocked her as a reference? Where? I said she provides no details - not sure how that qualifies as mocking.
 
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#26,964
volinbham said:
I'm not sure he was assaulted. It says "attacked" in the tweet with zero detail. In the follow up tweet it says he was injured during the game. Hard to say what attacked means in this context. You'd think if he was injured in the tunnel that would be mentioned also.
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Was he injured in the tunnel? Who said that?
 
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#26,969
volinbham said:
what do you think attacked means - I'm curious since you believe the attack should be investigated. Was it physical? Physical with no injuries? Angry words? Mean looks?
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An injury to me means his ability to play might be in jeopardy. An attack just means a bare minimum that somebody put hands on him.
 
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#26,970
volinbham said:
I'm mocking your OP that includes the hot take about how F'd up this injustice is -
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We don't know the whole story, but on Twitter, where this is posted, all you have to do is click the scroll button 2 times to find all these details. He didn't post it in a vacuum. He posted it in a thread where all this information is found.
 
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#26,971
n_huffhines said:
It's agreed upon that he said "Free Palestine." The other stuff is not clear.

The funny thing is the SportsGrail article cites the journalist I am citing. You mocked my reference to her, and you then quote this media outlet relying on her. 🤣 The article was probably written by AI
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The only thing that is clear here is his political statements that are prohibited by the league.

Nothing else is clear.

The tweet you quoted posits this is some kind of injustice....... Not sure how, nothing is clear except for the reason for the investigation in question.
 
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#26,972
volinbham said:
what do you think attacked means - I'm curious since you believe the attack should be investigated. Was it physical? Physical with no injuries? Angry words? Mean looks?
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Forced to stand in close proximity to Jews in an enclosed space.

Vicious attack.
 
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#26,974
n_huffhines said:
An injury to me means his ability to play might be in jeopardy. An attack just means a bare minimum that somebody put hands on him.
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The play was reviewed without penalty. He was substituted after the play, but it was in the 2nd half, so it wasn't like it was an early sub.

Simsir must not have been hurt too badly, because he started the next match 3 days later.
 
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bamawriter said:
The play was reviewed without penalty. He was substituted after the play, but it was in the 2nd half, so it wasn't like it was an early sub.

Simsir must not have been hurt too badly, because he started the next match 3 days later.
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I'm not getting where anybody said he was actually injured. All I saw was the claim that he was elbowed (which shouldn't keep you out of the next match).

Did something change with soccer where they review elbows now? I thought fouls in the box, and goals are the only things they review.
 
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