Israel vs Palestinians

[85SugarVol]

Prolly just a bad translation

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[EasternVol]

So the FT is calling out Bibi for his blood lust and calling Biden a wuss for letting the tail wag the dog

Israel’s spiralling offensive

The west must restrain Netanyahu, or it will be haunted by his widening campaign

www.ft.com

 

[KB5252]

So the FT is calling out Bibi for his blood lust and calling Biden a wuss for letting the tail wag the dog

Israel’s spiralling offensive

The west must restrain Netanyahu, or it will be haunted by his widening campaign

www.ft.com

I can't read the article, paywall........ But if it reads anything like the headline it likely forgets the Palestinian and Arab bloodlust that initiated the Israeli response from the headline........ Not to mention events dating back to the Roman conquest of that area with hundreds of years of tit for tat since.

I would agree agree however that weak/poor US leadership and declining US influence has prolonged this conflict.

 

[EasternVol]

I can't read the article, paywall........ But if it reads anything like the headline it likely forgets the Palestinian and Arab bloodlust that initiated the Israeli response from the headline........ Not to mention events dating back to the Roman conquest of that area with hundreds of years of tit for tat since.

I would agree agree however that weak/poor US leadership and declining US influence has prolonged this conflict.

Strange I didn't hit the paywall, which is good because I can't afford the subscription. You must read the FT more often than I do.
No, it didn't overlook the previous bloodlust by both sides which initiated this or that action etc. which doesn't go back to Roman times, at least continually, as much as some people want us to believe it has.
Well agreed on your last sentence.

 

[NashVol11]

A year old but definitely the most moral

 

[jp1]

A year old but definitely the most moral

The guy is definitely acting like an ass, but how do we even know who the guy is, where he's from, and that he is an Israeli soldier? Did I miss that in his incoherent screaming?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

At this point does it really need to be said?

Something has to give, continually killing Hezbollah leadership isn't productive, just symbolic.

Oh I think it is very productive.

 

[Vol8188]

At this point does it really need to be said?

Something has to give, continually killing Hezbollah leadership isn't productive, just symbolic.

I don’t see the problem

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[85SugarVol]

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Join Hamas, or take a leadership position with Hezbollah - you’ll be dead in no time.

 

[Vol8188]

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“You can’t kill terrorists, because they may have children”-Huff

 

[NashVol11]

“You can’t kill terrorists, because they may have children”-Huff

What evidence do you have that that child’s mom was a terrorist

 

[Vol8188]

What evidence do you have that that child’s mom was a terrorist

“20,000 orphans”….

 

[EasternVol]

Join Hamas, or take a leadership position with Hezbollah - you’ll be dead in no time.

Hardly. With all the IDF's advantages they still haven't finished Hamas after more than a year. They're either really incompetent or they've prioritized ethnic cleansing over military objectives, or both.

 

[85SugarVol]

Hardly. With all the IDF's advantages they still haven't finished Hamas after more than a year. They're either really incompetent or they've prioritized ethnic cleansing over military objectives, or both.

Well, it was a joke.

But since you took it seriously, what’s the life expectancy of a Hamas soldier these days?

Yes, they’re not all dead. How many are? I realize the Hamas Health Ministry doesn’t distinguish (which is weird), but surely there’s a reasonable estimate out there.

 

[volinbham]

Hardly. With all the IDF's advantages they still haven't finished Hamas after more than a year. They're either really incompetent or they've prioritized ethnic cleansing over military objectives, or both.

I understand questioning the methods but saying Hamas could be finished in a year or so means you'd rather kill innocents or are incompetent is just silly.

if ethnic cleansing was the goal there'd be more than 20K orphans; or no orphans since everyone was wiped out

if Hamas wasn't embedding themselves within the population they could be finished in the time frame



I understand being critical of Israel but your statement is just hyperbole

 

[EasternVol]

Well, it was a joke.

But since you took it seriously, what’s the life expectancy of a Hamas soldier these days?

Yes, they’re not all dead. How many are? I realize the Hamas Health Ministry doesn’t distinguish (which is weird), but surely there’s a reasonable estimate out there.

Ah the old joke about 20,000 new orphans, the one that's by no stretch of the imagination even slightly amusing. Got it.
How many hamas fighters are dead? Far fewer than what would possibly justify what the IDF's done to Gaza.

 

[volinbham]

Ah the old joke about 20,000 new orphans, the one that's by no stretch of the imagination even slightly amusing. Got it.
How many hamas fighters are dead? Far fewer than what would possibly justify what the IDF's done to Gaza.

I get your point - any critique of what Hamas has done to Gaza?

 

[EasternVol]

I understand questioning the methods but saying Hamas could be finished in a year or so means you'd rather kill innocents or are incompetent is just silly.

if ethnic cleansing was the goal there'd be more than 20K orphans; or no orphans since everyone was wiped out

if Hamas wasn't embedding themselves within the population they could be finished in the time frame



I understand being critical of Israel but your statement is just hyperbole

I'd say Bibi would have wanted to wreak more destruction but he knows that he's pushing the limits on what his sponsors will tolerate. He's making Gaza as uninhabitable as possible while still keeping Biden in his back pocket.

 

[volinbham]

I'd say Bibi would have wanted to wreak more destruction but he knows that he's pushing the limits on what his sponsors will tolerate. He's making Gaza as uninhabitable as possible while still keeping Biden in his back pocket.

how would you get rid of Hamas or do you think there's peace to be had with them?

 

[EasternVol]

how would you get rid of Hamas or do you think there's peace to be had with them?

At the onset, target their leadership and go into the tunnels and fight them.
I don't think there's a lasting peace without major changes. Netanyahu and his ilk are very effective recruiters for hamas' successor(s).

 

[volinbham]

At the onset, target their leadership and go into the tunnels and fight them.
I don't think there's a lasting peace without major changes. Netanyahu and his ilk are very effective recruiters for hamas' successor(s).

you'd get that done in a year?

wasn't the leadership in Doha?

how many were in the tunnels vs embedded throughout Gaza?

I don't know the best way but boiling it down to either incompetence or genocide strategy seems a pretty shallow analysis

 

[EasternVol]

you'd get that done in a year?

wasn't the leadership in Doha?

how many were in the tunnels vs embedded throughout Gaza?

I don't know the best way but boiling it down to either incompetence or genocide strategy seems a pretty shallow analysis

Given the absolute mismatch in capabilities, if the stronger military basically destroys an area the size of Gaza and kills, wounds, and displaces hundreds of thousands in a year but doesn't meet their military objective then yeah they're not prioritizing defeating the enemy fighters or they're more interested in something else, like making the place uninhabitable for the current residents. And it sure looks like they're trying to make the place uninhabitable for the current residents.

 

[KB5252]

Given the absolute mismatch in capabilities, if the stronger military basically destroys an area the size of Gaza and kills, wounds, and displaces hundreds of thousands in a year but doesn't meet their military objective then yeah they're not prioritizing defeating the enemy fighters or they're more interested in something else, like making the place uninhabitable for the current residents. And it sure looks like they're trying to make the place uninhabitable for the current residents.

I don't think that's the main objective. Hamas dug in and fortified and boobietrapped their tunnels. Going headlong into them is suicide, and the causalities on your own would create pushback from your population as their dead sons stack up. This is also what Hamas would prefer Israel do

So Israel has taken the safe tact for their own. This puts Palestinian civilians in harms way, and Hamas counts on them for their own safety. Israel appears to have taken the position that protecting Palestinians is the responsibility of Hamas.

Right or wrong Israel has taken the gloves off. It is fighting Hamas under the same set of rules Hamas chose to fight under on Oct 7th. Yes it's brutal, yes Innocents are being killed at an alarming rate.