Israel vs Palestinians

[bamawriter]

Bro, how many have become militant?

Great question. Got an answer?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Great question. Got an answer?

It’s always someone else’s fault. Usually a Jew

 

[n_huffhines]

Seems like a pretty important question to answer before expressing outrage.

Did you ask what percent of the Israelis were militant? LOL

I don't think militant people deserve to die. They gotta be explicitly bad actors.

I asked ChatGPT how many Palestinian youth were militant, and ChatGPT clarified the meaning of militant "The term militant has different meanings depending on the context, but it generally refers to a person or group that is aggressively active in support of a cause, often involving conflict or confrontation. While all militants are advocates or fighters for a cause, not all are violent."

"A 2024 poll revealed that 54% of Palestinians support armed struggle against Israeli occupation, an increase from previous years."

So if only 54% support the idea of fighting for their freedom, which is a totally reasonable position and doesn't make them bad people, the number of actual terrorists/people willing to fight for Hamas is a fraction of that. A good portion of them probably hate Hamas.

So yeah, if we got 30k dead, that means we got ~20-25k dead innocents.

 

[n_huffhines]

Great question. Got an answer?

Enough that we've put a bigger target on our backs.

 

[bamawriter]

Did you ask what percent of the Israelis were militant? LOL

If you want to piss and moan over my phrasing, allow me to clarify:

How many were active combatants?

 

[n_huffhines]

If you want to piss and moan over my phrasing, allow me to clarify:

How many were active combatants?

Piss and moan? Lol

I didn't know you meant active combatants. That's a completely different group. Good thing we clarified it.

What % would be your tradeoff threshold?

 

[bamawriter]

Piss and moan? Lol

I didn't know you meant active combatants. That's a completely different group. Good thing we clarified it.

What % would be your tradeoff threshold?

How about you answer my question first? Especially since you felt it was important enough to necro-bump it.

 

[n_huffhines]

How about you answer my question first? Especially since you felt it was important enough to necro-bump it.

2 weeks, lol? You're being a bish

IDF's propaganda wing claims 9k. So if the 41k number is the right number, then 32k innocent.

A 3rd party source claims just 2500.

What %?

 

[bamawriter]

2 weeks, lol? You're being a bish

IDF's propaganda wing claims 9k. So if the 41k number is the right number, then 32k innocent.

A 3rd party source claims just 2500.

What %?

I just found an AP report from August that quotes the IDF saying 17k, so could you link a report that suggests they've reduced their estimate?

But to answer your question:

Assuming the 40k number is true (and given that it comes from Hamas, who knows?) 5k or less combatants would suggest a callous disregard when differentiating between civilians and combatants. Between 5k and 10k would be in line with historical results of urban combat. Over 10k would make this one of the greatest humanitarian successes in the history of urban warfare.

 

[Orangeslice13]

2 weeks, lol? You're being a bish

IDF's propaganda wing claims 9k. So if the 41k number is the right number, then 32k innocent.

A 3rd party source claims just 2500.

What %?

I agree. We should absolutely hold Hamas responsible for all the civilian deaths they created by using them as shields

 

[EasternVol]

It’s always someone else’s fault. Usually a Jew

Such a victim, complaining that people pick on your favorite country because of their many, frequent, and serious atrocities.

 

[n_huffhines]

I just found an AP report from August that quotes the IDF saying 17k, so could you link a report that suggests they've reduced their estimate?

But to answer your question:

Assuming the 40k number is true (and given that it comes from Hamas, who knows?) 5k or less combatants would suggest a callous disregard when differentiating between civilians and combatants. Between 5k and 10k would be in line with historical results of urban combat. Over 10k would make this one of the greatest humanitarian successes in the history of urban warfare.

My bad. My source was from January.

You're saying your moral stance on the matter is based on what you view as relatively efficient?

I just count dead innocents.

 

[n_huffhines]

It’s always someone else’s fault. Usually a Jew

This is some playing the victim BS. The IDF is ****ed. Don't take it personally, unless you support it

 

[bamawriter]

My bad. My source was from January.

You're saying your moral stance on the matter is based on what you view as relatively efficient?

I just count dead innocents.

Does the number of dead innocents determine whether or not a war is justified?

 

[n_huffhines]

Does the number of dead innocents determine whether or not a war is justified?

We're not talking about that. Marcus was talking about feeling bad for the Israeli youth victims and Nash more or less said "what about the Palestinians?"

Both are a nightmare scenario. Hamas attacked Israel and committed acts of terror. The IDF is an oppressor who has been killing 10x as many Palestinians for decades. Both sides think they are justified. WGAF?

 

[bamawriter]

We're not talking about that. Marcus was talking about feeling bad for the Israeli youth victims and Nash more or less said "what about the Palestinians?"

Both are a nightmare scenario. Hamas attacked Israel and committed acts of terror. The IDF is an oppressor who has been killing 10x as many Palestinians for decades. Both sides think they are justified. WGAF?

What makes the IDF "an oppressor" compared to, say, Egypt?

 

[85SugarVol]

“Everybody is talking about the hostages who are being held so violently, inhumanely, and against the will of the entire World, in the Middle East – But it’s all talk, and no action!” he wrote on Truth Social on Monday. “Please let this TRUTH serve to represent that if the hostages are not released prior to January 20, 2025, the date that I proudly assume Office as President of the United States, there will be ALL HELL TO PAY in the Middle East, and for those in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against Humanity.”

“Those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the long and storied History of the United States of America. RELEASE THE HOSTAGES NOW!” Trump concluded.

What are the chances the Palestinians have a come to Jesus moment and release the hostages before Trump gets back in?

 

[norrislakevol]

We're not talking about that. Marcus was talking about feeling bad for the Israeli youth victims and Nash more or less said "what about the Palestinians?"

Both are a nightmare scenario. Hamas attacked Israel and committed acts of terror. The IDF is an oppressor who has been killing 10x as many Palestinians for decades. Both sides think they are justified. WGAF?

Agreed with the bolded. The Palestinians (Hamas) screwed with the bull, and they got the horn. It's really that simple. Whatever is left of them after this is over....if they ever do something similar........guess what will happen again? I won't lose one wink of sleep over it either. This is the way the world has worked for thousands of years.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Such a victim, complaining that people pick on your favorite country because of their many, frequent, and serious atrocities.

At least you’re self aware.
Maybe one day you’ll realize they’re not a country, by their own choice, and they want this destruction that they brought upon themselves

 

[Orangeslice13]

This is some playing the victim BS. The IDF is ****ed. Don't take it personally, unless you support it

lol
Sure thing Vicky.
The only one taking things personally and cursing in anger is you.

 

[Orangeslice13]

What makes the IDF "an oppressor" compared to, say, Egypt?

They’re Jews
Lololol
The irony of people saying anything about trying to be a victim and following it up with that “oppressor” nonsense.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Agreed with the bolded. The Palestinians (Hamas) screwed with the bull, and they got the horn. It's really that simple. Whatever is left of them after this is over....if they ever do something similar........guess what will happen again? I won't lose one wink of sleep over it either. This is the way the world has worked for thousands of years.

They both say it’s too the death. They both have proven they mean it. It’s not our business to tell them how they should live or resolve it. And we definitely shouldn’t pay for it.

 

[hog88]

What are the chances the Palestinians have a come to Jesus moment and release the hostages before Trump gets back in?

Slim chance. They want their people to be slaughtered

 

[n_huffhines]

Agreed with the bolded. The Palestinians (Hamas) screwed with the bull, and they got the horn. It's really that simple. Whatever is left of them after this is over....if they ever do something similar........guess what will happen again? I won't lose one wink of sleep over it either. This is the way the world has worked for thousands of years.

If Americans were in the Palestinian situation, we would be locking horns with the bull, too.

 

[n_huffhines]

What makes the IDF "an oppressor" compared to, say, Egypt?

IDF soldiers killed dozens of Palestinian children per year leading up to October 2023. We can start there.

Do you think that if we were in the Palestinian situation we would be thinking about relative oppression? Gimme a fkn break.