Israel vs Palestinians

[NashVol11]

Which was scaling an Israeli-Palestinian death total to the US population

In a manner never used before or since, almost like it was specifically to play up Israeli victimhood

 

[85SugarVol]

In a manner never used before or since, almost like it was specifically to play up Israeli victimhood

Well, you can only have one (1) single day terrorist loss of life event in a nation’s history

 

[NashVol11]

Well, you can only have one (1) single day terrorist loss of life event in a nation’s history

Unfortunately for them, there are several other nations and attacks where people didn’t invent a scale to downplay 9/11 and then abandon said scale as soon as it’s applied to themselves

 

[85SugarVol]

Unfortunately for them, there are several other nations and attacks where people didn’t invent a scale to downplay 9/11 and then abandon said scale as soon as it’s applied to themselves

Let’s apply it retroactively. This will be a gas.

Which single day terror attacks do you believe to be most analogous to America’s 9/11 and Israel’s 10/7?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Israel has gotten everything it wanted except public approval, Biden can’t do that for them as they continue slaughtering civilians

“Slaughtering civilians”

 

[OrangeTsar]

Did you ask what percent of the Israelis were militant? LOL

I don't think militant people deserve to die. They gotta be explicitly bad actors.

I asked ChatGPT how many Palestinian youth were militant, and ChatGPT clarified the meaning of militant "The term militant has different meanings depending on the context, but it generally refers to a person or group that is aggressively active in support of a cause, often involving conflict or confrontation. While all militants are advocates or fighters for a cause, not all are violent."

"A 2024 poll revealed that 54% of Palestinians support armed struggle against Israeli occupation, an increase from previous years."

So if only 54% support the idea of fighting for their freedom, which is a totally reasonable position and doesn't make them bad people, the number of actual terrorists/people willing to fight for Hamas is a fraction of that. A good portion of them probably hate Hamas.

So yeah, if we got 30k dead, that means we got ~20-25k dead innocents.

“Militants” target enemy soldiers. They don’t paraglide into a music festival and butcher civilian teenagers. That makes them “terrorists”

 

[n_huffhines]

“Militants” target enemy soldiers. They don’t paraglide into a music festival and butcher civilian teenagers. That makes them “terrorists”

He said "militants" with no context to explain he meant Hamas soldiers, so I went with the definition of "militant" and now you're up to speed.

 

[NashVol11]

He said "militants" with no context to explain he meant Hamas soldiers, so I went with the definition of "militant" and now you're up to speed.

And FWIW, he did that because the IDF numbers he quoted also refer to “militants” and not specifically Hamas soldiers

 

[bamawriter]

And FWIW, he did that because the IDF numbers he quoted also refer to “militants” and not specifically Hamas soldiers

Since Hamas doesn't designate their "soldiers," it seems like that's a distinction without a difference.

 

[NashVol11]

Since Hamas doesn't designate their "soldiers," it seems like that's a distinction without a difference.

You read this whole post just to end up at the idea that all “militants” = Hamas

Did you ask what percent of the Israelis were militant? LOL

I don't think militant people deserve to die. They gotta be explicitly bad actors.

I asked ChatGPT how many Palestinian youth were militant, and ChatGPT clarified the meaning of militant "The term militant has different meanings depending on the context, but it generally refers to a person or group that is aggressively active in support of a cause, often involving conflict or confrontation. While all militants are advocates or fighters for a cause, not all are violent."

"A 2024 poll revealed that 54% of Palestinians support armed struggle against Israeli occupation, an increase from previous years."

So if only 54% support the idea of fighting for their freedom, which is a totally reasonable position and doesn't make them bad people, the number of actual terrorists/people willing to fight for Hamas is a fraction of that. A good portion of them probably hate Hamas.

So yeah, if we got 30k dead, that means we got ~20-25k dead innocents.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I want to see the same folks who defend these murderous muslims jump through hoops when the terrorist attacks begin here in the US again. Bidens administration let so many thousands of terrorists into this country that it is inevitable. Only a matter of time. The FBI is already trying to cover their arses, saying "every light on the dashboard is flashing red." Theres no way they prevent American civilians from being attacked. Even with all the unconstitutional BS like the NSA listening to every single domestic call etc. Its just a matter of where and when it happens.

Lucky for most who post here, its probably far more likely to be in extremely densely populated areas like NYC or LA...or perhaps DC. When its our blood running in the streets will the same contortionists here twisting themselves in knots to make excuses for these degenerates jump through hoops for the exact same muslim terrorists? They are no different. Whether they claim to be Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Taliban, or any of their dozens of related groups. They are exactly the same. They murder innocent Jews, Christians, agnostics, atheists...anyone who isn't a muslim like them. In the name of their false god. Let them rot.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Worst genociders I’ve ever heard of.

Are they even trying?

They also suck at the sneak attack, giving Hamas a 3 week heads up that war was coming. which is surprising as we Jews are a very sneaky bunch.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

They also suck at the sneak attack, giving Hamas a 3 week heads up that war was coming. which is surprising as we Jews are a very sneaky bunch.

This is lost on many folks. Israel has done more to prevent civilian casualties than anyone I can remember during war...much to their detriment. When you send mass text messages, drop pamphlets, broadcast on the radio etc EXACTLY where you are gonna bomb for 48 to 72 hours prior to the attack, it gives the enemy (targets) plenty of time to flee. Civilians who stay behind in harms way are either enemy combatants in plain clothes, or human shields. Either way, their deaths fall squarely on Hamas and not on the IDF.

 

[bamawriter]

You read this whole post just to end up at the idea that all “militants” = Hamas

In this case it does. I suppose there could be Gazan militants that are not directly connected to Hamas, but if they are also shooting pointing guns at Israelis, it's six of one. But since Huff was quibbling over my word choice, I revised my question to "active combatants."

 

[n_huffhines]

I want to see the same folks who defend these murderous muslims jump through hoops when the terrorist attacks begin here in the US again. Bidens administration let so many thousands of terrorists into this country that it is inevitable. Only a matter of time. The FBI is already trying to cover their arses, saying "every light on the dashboard is flashing red." Theres no way they prevent American civilians from being attacked. Even with all the unconstitutional BS like the NSA listening to every single domestic call etc. Its just a matter of where and when it happens.

Lucky for most who post here, its probably far more likely to be in extremely densely populated areas like NYC or LA...or perhaps DC. When its our blood running in the streets will the same contortionists here twisting themselves in knots to make excuses for these degenerates jump through hoops for the exact same muslim terrorists? They are no different. Whether they claim to be Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Taliban, or any of their dozens of related groups. They are exactly the same. They murder innocent Jews, Christians, agnostics, atheists...anyone who isn't a muslim like them. In the name of their false god. Let them rot.

Part of my position is out of self-interest because I specifically do not want this to happen "again." LOL. I do not want blowback, and helping the IDF to murder little Palestinian children is how we create future terrorists and make the target on our backs bigger.

Nobody is defending "murderous Muslims." What hoops are we jumping through? I/we are condemning both sides for wrongdoing. Y'all are the ones jumping through hoops pretending the IDF is not a bad actor, that our government is doing right by us, and that it is taking a correct moral stand.

 

[n_huffhines]

In this case it does. I suppose there could be Gazan militants that are not directly connected to Hamas, but if they are also shooting pointing guns at Israelis, it's six of one. But since Huff was quibbling over my word choice, I revised my question to "active combatants."

Nash's point is that the numbers claimed by the IDF in your AP are not "active combatants" it's "militant" Palestinians, which could just mean they are schoolboys who support the idea of fighting their oppressors. It's not the same thing, and the distinction matters, even if you consider it quibbling.

IDK, maybe they mean active combatants and do not understand what militant means, but knowing the IDF, one way or another, the 17k is a ******** number.

 

[n_huffhines]

That only 2400 minors were killed (and given that Palestinian figures don't distinguish combatants, thus a 17 year old with an AK counts the same as an infant in his mother's arms) over the course of 24 years, most of which have been spent during open hostilities, is actually quite amazing.

FTR, 6,304 total Palestinians killed in that time frame. Is it really that amazing?

The Israelis suck at conducting a genocide.

To be clear, it's not counting the last year in which we're talking tens of thousands of dead civilians. But let's be honest, there is no number that is going to bother you.

 

[norrislakevol]

If Americans were in the Palestinian situation, we would be locking horns with the bull, too.

Please clarify.

 

[hog88]

FTR, 6,304 total Palestinians killed in that time frame. Is it really that amazing?



To be clear, it's not counting the last year in which we're talking tens of thousands of dead civilians. But let's be honest, there is no number that is going to bother you.

The stats go through April of this year.

And yeah like you DGAS how many Israelis were murdered, I and the Hamas leaders DGAS how many terrorist and their sympathizers are killed. They could have stopped this months ago by surrendering their leadership and releasing the hostages.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The stats go through April of this year.

And yeah like you DGAS how many Israelis were murdered, I and the Hamas leaders DGAS how many terrorist and their sympathizers are killed. They could have stopped this months ago by surrendering their leadership and releasing the hostages.

I’m sure they care about people on the other side of the world as much as they actually care about the death in Chicago.

Which is to say, none whatsoever.

 

[NashVol11]

The stats go through April of this year.

Not exactly

 

[85SugarVol]

I do not want blowback [for] helping the IDF to murder little Palestinian children

That’s nice

I/we are condemning both sides for wrongdoing.

 

[norrislakevol]

Nash and Huff fail badly to tug at my heartstrings. Sorry y'all.

 

[volinbham]

Part of my position is out of self-interest because I specifically do not want this to happen "again." LOL. I do not want blowback, and helping the IDF to murder little Palestinian children is how we create future terrorists and make the target on our backs bigger.

Like Palestinians are getting blowback for murdering little Israeli children? Hamas demonstrated how to create future IDF members and increase the target on Palestinian backs bigger.

 

[just bob]

Nash and Huff fail badly to tug at my heartstrings. Sorry y'all.

They're really, really bad at this.