Israel vs Palestinians

My understanding of the scripture is that Israel was removed from the land for a time due to sin and disbelief but that they will be returned to it in the last days. The original promise to the Patriarchs used the words “eternal” and “forever”. I take those words to be literal.

So God delivered the land of Israel to them just so they could slaughter Muslims? Nah. It's us. Not God.
 
That day is here, because current wisdom puts that at 15,000 - 20,000 years ago, and maybe earlier (artifacts indicate maybe 23,000 to 30,000 years ago).
Indeed.

Our knowledge and understanding of how, and where, and when we evolved continues to develop. Rather rapidly in the last 10-15 years.

We, as well as our brothers and sisters and cousins, keeping popping up in places, and times, we were not expected/understood to be. All new cousins popping up too.

Dating our arrival in the Americas earlier is fascinating, but it’s an extension of an existing timeline.

I’m suggesting something profoundly more paradigm shifting.
 
As Americans who kicked the existing population off their land, of course many of us think it's OK to waltz in and start a country where people were already living.

Lmfao yes. That’s exactly what happened Huff. Americans came in and kicked Palestinians out. I think my grandfather fought in that war.

Remind me, how many combat casualties did Americans suffer in 1948?

Also, can you show me were you’ve shared similar grievances regarding the establishment of Syria, Jordan, etc
 
Thank you.

Did anybody actually say they should? I don't think that me or Eastern did, and that's probably why your point was lost to everyone.

Maybe Eastern differs on this...Palestinians don't have a "right" to govern those boundaries just because they were there 77 years ago, but I do think the families who were kicked out of their homes and off their land do have a right to those homes and land.
Thank you.

Did anybody actually say they should? I don't think that me or Eastern did, and that's probably why your point was lost to everyone.

Maybe Eastern differs on this...Palestinians don't have a "right" to govern those boundaries just because they were there 77 years ago, but I do think the families who were kicked out of their homes and off their land do have a right to those homes and land.
I’ve been to Israel. I’ve seen abandoned homes lost in the Nakba and the Naksa. I understand the anger of the Palestinians, some of whom still wear the house keys that belonged to their grandparents around their necks, as they await the chance to return.

I don’t think their claim to that land is any more valid than mine is to the plantation in central Virginia a branch of my family lost to the Yankees in April of ‘65.
 
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Israel was founded in 1947.

This would be like Americans getting conquered and moving out. The next guys getting conquered and moving out. Then Native Americans coming back with the help of the western world and kicking out the people who were living under the rule of the last guys (and had lived there ~1500 years), establishing a country, and claiming it was founded thousands of years ago. There was no state of Israel. It's just a region that Jews (and others) used to inhabit. The big difference is the Native Americans were the only people here that we know of. Jews were not the first in the region now known as Israel.
I know when Israel was officially founded post WW2 and given back to the Jews. I also know the Israel Antiquities Authority supervises digs all the time there which unearth homes, pottery, coins and all manner of things there that are thousands of years old which belonged to Jews in Israel. The Jews were there long before Solomon built the Temple or Jesus was born. Read the Old Testament. The Jews have owned property in what is now called Israel for thousands of years. It is their land, given to them by the God of Isaac and Jacob, and it will always be their land until none of us are here anymore because they are Gods chosen people and He protects them.


I can trace Jewish ancestors on the land in Israel with documentation back to the 1700s. The government was formed in the 1940s. But we were there already.
Thats great. I hope to take my kids to the Holy Land once things settle down there and it is safe. Have no desire to go to most of Europe anymore. It has been ruined by Woke and Globalist laws, the EU, and forced integration of millions of muslims.
 
When GA finally redraws state lines to get to the Tennessee River. GA and TN will cease to exist and have to be established.

Yup. There was a show called How the States Got Their Shape and it went through all kinds of situations over just the last 200-300 years as to how the shape of specific States change. It's a pretty interesting show, and yes nothing is static and yes Israel basically has existed for a very long time from what we can tell... in one form or another.

As far as Israel, they'll probably have to wipe out lots of people completely to survive long-term.

Not much different than the Ukraine/Russia, one side is going to have to wipe out the other side most likely for there to be long term stability.
 
Damn, you old. I didn't kick anyone off their land.

It's the lie that is promoted by the mentality ill. Some part of it might be true, but it's in a context which is false or some grand scale that didn't exist. For the record, I am glad there is still claims processes for specific instances but most of the Indians were compensated, they just didn't understand the concept of land ownership and what fair market might be. They got hooked on the juice i.e. goods. There were issues even in the time of the U.S. and I hope everyone was compensated as much as possible, although bring life back is impossible but let be honest.... this was not at scale. The Indians basically sold off their land before the U.S. was a thing.

The thing that I am glad the U.S. has been trying to right for 80 years is the Japanese Americans held in camps during WWII. Some of the people are still alive and there exists a clear taking by the U.S.

I also get a giggle out of people defending Indians, they were always at war with each other and would be considered butchers by today's standards, and even back hundreds of years ago.
 
It's the lie that is promoted by the mentality ill. Some part of it might be true, but it's in a context which is false or some grand scale that didn't exist. For the record, I am glad there is still claims processes for specific instances but most of the Indians were compensated, they just didn't understand the concept of land ownership and what fair market might be. They got hooked on the juice i.e. goods. There were issues even in the time of the U.S. and I hope everyone was compensated as much as possible, although bring life back is impossible but let be honest.... this was not at scale. The Indians basically sold off their land before the U.S. was a thing.

The thing that I am glad the U.S. has been trying to right for 80 years is the Japanese Americans held in camps during WWII. Some of the people are still alive and there exists a clear taking by the U.S.

I also get a giggle out of people defending Indians, they were always at war with each other and would be considered butchers by today's standards, and even back hundreds of years ago.

Yeah, people have no concept of the situation between Native Americans and colonists.

There is a reason why Spain was able to hold Mexico in the 1500s with just a thousand man (all of Mexico). The locals preferred the Spanish over the Aztec.

The Europeans look terrible by today's standards but, at the time, they were often better than the native regimes they were replacing. That was why they were so successful.

Native Americans had no sense of unity, they were 1000 different nations and most hated each other more than the Europeans and were willing to work with Europeans against their other tribes. A lot were totally decimated and killed off by diseases like Small Pox or were killed by each other.

Now certain tribes/nations were oppressed. It is hard to deny the bad treatment of the Cherokee for example. We do need to apologize to them. I feel less sorry for the Seminoles or Iroquois because both started wars with the USA out of no where and got wiped out as a result. (in fact, the Seminoles had been raiding and killing people in Georgia for decades before Andrew Jackson invaded Florida to go after them).
 
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I’ve been to Israel. I’ve seen abandoned homes lost in the Nakba and the Naksa. I understand the anger of the Palestinians, some of whom still wear the house keys that belonged to their grandparents around their necks, as they await the chance to return.

I don’t think their claim to that land is any more valid than mine is to the plantation in central Virginia a branch of my family lost to the Yankees in April of ‘65.

The problem in Israel/Gaza is that the Palestinians cannot accept the injustice. People think "to the victor go the spoils" but that's not a recipe for permanent peace, in many cases.

On its face, it seems like your people have a right to their land, and your acceptance of the injustice has no bearing on the situation in Israel.
 
The problem in Israel/Gaza is that the Palestinians cannot accept the injustice. People think "to the victor go the spoils" but that's not a recipe for permanent peace, in many cases.

On its face, it seems like your people have a right to their land, and your acceptance of the injustice has no bearing on the situation in Israel.
Injustice?!?
Are you insane?

We’ve (Jewish people) have been fighting over the land for centuries. But since you want to play more recently. 100-150 years ago we (the Jewish people) were being slaughtered on that same land by the Arabs you now claim suffered an injustice. People like to pretend that didn’t happen because it was the Jewish people who were being slaughtered. This history is very well documented. The British government regularly had to intervene in the fighting. Let’s not pretend this Bull **** “injustice” started in the 1940s. Let’s also not pretend that the reason there’s o a state called Palestine is because of Israel. Palestine had the opportunity to grab statehood on multiple occasions and refused because they would have to accept Israel as a state. You might want to look into how the land was divided to create Israel. Hint: it’s where the Jewish people already were.

Spare me your indoctrinated definition of “injustice”



But I digress.
 
Death to the terrorist bastards!
Long live the righteous!
Good will prevail over evil!
This land is not your land, this land is my land!
Bibi is an OG!
Come at me!
 

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