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#18,051
whodeycin85 said:
How was this guy lighting himself on fire anything more then a temper tantrum??? Basically if your significant other threaten and attempt to kill themselves because they didnt likebyour behavior towards them you'd mock them for acting like a child and needing mental help...this is jo different. I wonder why he didn't just join Hamas??? Then he could have fought for the cause instead of seek attention of course he'd probably be shot by hamas before getting that chance...

When is Nash doing his fiery LGBTQ video protesting trans rights??
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its a form of protest. like any protest its aim is to draw attention to the cause. he just took it to a pretty extreme, but thankfully personal, level. it obviously took a level of devotion none of us here have displayed on probably anything. which is why people want to dismiss it as being crazy instead of possibly considering the matter from another angle.

instead of being a keyboard warrior and sofa general he actually did something. there has been more talk about this one single guy lighting himself on fire than any/all of the other protests on the matter ITT, so it obviously worked.

if the only measure of success for a protest was the act directly leading to a change in policy 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of all protests would be considered failures.
 
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LouderVol said:
you may not be responsible for what happens to you. but you are 100% responsible for how you respond to it. you're level of involvement and "emotional" attachment to one side or the other is generally your fault. As Rush says if choose no to decide, you still have made a choice.

have people HONESTLY pushed for a candidate that does seek an actual solution that was a net positive for both sides? or do most people just want to ignore it?

not saying that one should feel one way or another, or that there was a clean choice; just that you are responsible for yourself even without an active role.
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I am responsible for myself, I agree. I had nothing to do with post WW2 decisions. The wars and battles in the region began before I was born.
I pray for candidates who want to adhere to our constitution, govern within our means, and reset the expectation America is the world's police force.
Let these other nations take care of their needs. And if we MUST get involved, we do so to win quickly with minimum loss of American lives.

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LouderVol said:
its a form of protest. like any protest its aim is to draw attention to the cause. he just took it to a pretty extreme, but thankfully personal, level. it obviously took a level of devotion none of us here have displayed on probably anything. which is why people want to dismiss it as being crazy instead of possibly considering the matter from another angle.

instead of being a keyboard warrior and sofa general he actually did something. there has been more talk about this one single guy lighting himself on fire than any/all of the other protests on the matter ITT, so it obviously worked.

if the only measure of success for a protest was the act directly leading to a change in policy 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of all protests would be considered failures.
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You're unusually idealistic about this man and his protest.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
en.m.wikipedia.org

Thích Quảng Đức - Wikipedia

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From wiki (bold by me):
Quảng Đức's act increased international pressure on Diệm and led him to announce reforms with the intention of mollifying the Buddhists. However, the promised reforms were not implemented, leading to a deterioration in the dispute. As protests continued, the ARVN Special Forces loyal to Diệm's brother, Ngô Đình Nhu, launched raids across South Vietnam on Buddhist pagodas, seizing Quảng Đức's heart and causing deaths and widespread damage. Several Buddhist monks followed Quảng Đức's example, also immolating themselves. Eventually, a US-backed coup toppled Diệm, who was assassinated on 2 November 1963.

Change isn't happening because someone burns to death by their own hand. Brutal people and brutal regimes only understand brutally applied force.
 
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McDad said:
This guy died for a conflict going on for either decades or millennia depending on your perspective. His death will accomplish nothing. The conflict is much stronger than another suicide. In fact, suicide is an acceptable way of fighting in some of the cultures involved in this never ending fight.
I wish he would have given his life for a cause with better odds his act could have helped.
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This guy helped get Ngo Dinh Diem deposed. Maybe our boy thought he could motivate some change too, but chances are very slim.
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jp1 said:
Why did the Tibetan monk light himself on fire?
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nvm was wrong. others posted the story

* reading up on this there have been multiple tibetan monks lighting themselves on fire to protest Chinese occupation, just wasn't the situation I was thinking of. Theres actually been more than 100 individual cases since 2009, some of those involving multiple people.
 
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EasternVol said:
Hamas hasn't contolled the WB.
As for Gaza, 2006 was how many years ago? What did hamas do after the election? They literally killed their competition and consolidated their hold on power (tey also got a lot of assistance from Israel). Gaza is not a democracy in any sense.
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The W. Bush administration encouraged elections and then were shocked when Hamas won. So what was our response to a democratic result? We stopped future elections and tried a regime change operation. Because that's how the United States spreads democracy and wins hearts and minds...

www.aljazeera.com

US softens opposition to Hamas role

The United States has signalled an easing of opposition to the participation of Hamas in Palestinian elections and urged Israel to cooperate in organising the polls.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

www.nytimes.com

Rice Admits U.S. Underestimated Hamas Strength (Published 2006)

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice acknowledged Sunday that the United States had failed to understand the depth of hostility among Palestinians toward their longtime leaders. The hostility led to an election victory by the militant group Hamas that has reduced to tatters crucial assumptions...
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

US plotted to overthrow Hamas after election victory | Gaza | The Guardian

<p>Vanity Fair magazine reports of secret project for removal of Islamist government in Gaza</p>
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
 
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McDad said:
From wiki (bold by me):
Quảng Đức's act increased international pressure on Diệm and led him to announce reforms with the intention of mollifying the Buddhists. However, the promised reforms were not implemented, leading to a deterioration in the dispute. As protests continued, the ARVN Special Forces loyal to Diệm's brother, Ngô Đình Nhu, launched raids across South Vietnam on Buddhist pagodas, seizing Quảng Đức's heart and causing deaths and widespread damage. Several Buddhist monks followed Quảng Đức's example, also immolating themselves. Eventually, a US-backed coup toppled Diệm, who was assassinated on 2 November 1963.

Change isn't happening because someone burns to death by their own hand. Brutal people and brutal regimes only understand brutally applied force.
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Left some out, and I would bold different passages personally:

Thích Quảng Đức (chữ Hán: 釋廣德, Vietnamese: [tʰǐk̟ kʷâːŋ ɗɨ̌k] ⓘ; born Lâm Văn Túc; 1897 – 11 June 1963) was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk who died by self-immolation at a busy Saigon road intersection on 11 June 1963.[2] Quảng Đức was protesting against the persecution of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government of Ngô Đình Diệm, a staunch Roman Catholic. Photographs of his self-immolation circulated around the world, drawing attention to the policies of the Diệm government. John F. Kennedy said of one photograph, "No news picture in history has generated so much emotion around the world as that one."[3] Malcolm Browne won the World Press Photo of the Year for his photograph of the monk's death.

Quảng Đức's act increased international pressure on Diệm and led him to announce reforms with the intention of mollifying the Buddhists. However, the promised reforms were not implemented, leading to a deterioration in the dispute. As protests continued, the ARVN Special Forces loyal to Diệm's brother, Ngô Đình Nhu, launched raids across South Vietnam on Buddhist pagodas, seizing Quảng Đức's heart and causing deaths and widespread damage. Several Buddhist monks followed Quảng Đức's example, also immolating themselves. Eventually, a US-backed coup toppled Diệm, who was assassinated on 2 November 1963.
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Hard to say that changed nothing, IMO
 
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jp1 said:
I was hoping to get an answer without someone googling it.
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I already knew it without Google. You asked the question, so I thought I would help you out.

But now you have me curious... because it seems now that you didn't ask the question out of ignorance, but you asked it because you must have been trying to set up some alternative narrative. So now you tell us why he self-immolated. I'm dying to hear this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I already knew it without Google. You asked the question, so I thought I would help you out.

But now you have me curious... because it seems now that you didn't ask the question out of ignorance, but you asked it because you must have been trying to set up some alternative narrative. So now you tell us why he self-immolated. I'm dying to hear this.
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I did ask the question somewhat out of ignorance, at least on my end. I think the point most have been making was, the act of self immolation is ineffective as a means of protest. My guess is most that read my question had no clue of the reason without looking it up. Im not certain, but I think the act you presented was different than the one that Louder was even referencing. It appears over 100 acts of self immolation by monks have occurred since 2009.

Very unfortunate that the US airmen took his own life.
 
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85SugarVol said:
The funny thing is he actually doesn’t. That’s what makes him a liar. He simply chooses when and where he responds.
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Apparently, you don't know how the ignore feature works.

Calling me a liar out of ignorance is par for the course with you, hence ignore.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Just say whatever crops up in the ol' brain. It'll be a valid thought, I'm sure.
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His death will accomplish absolutely nothing, if he wanted to actually give his life for the cause he would have found his way to Gaza and fought for Hamas. The guy was a mentally unstable moron who killed himself for nothing.
 
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EasternVol said:
It's more than a narrative, it's reality.
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Oh yea, I can imagine the chatter at the IDF command node under the Kibbutz School

HQ, this is Bravo team, we have eyes on 6 to 7 toddlers currently toddling in sector four.
We have painted the target, you are clear to bomb the babies.
 
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