Israel vs Palestinians

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EasternVol said:
A more apt comparison for Great Britain would be Ireland instead of Germany. The UK hadn't occupied and colonized Germany as of the early 1940's.
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And Israel hasn’t „colonized“ the Gaza Strip. They totally turned it over to the Palestinians in 2005. They made their own bed and now they can’t complain when the „government“ they freely elected chooses to start a war with Israel
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OrangeTsar said:
Uh, it’s not propaganda. It’s a well documented fact. Are you disputing that Israel pulled out of Gaza in September 2005? Show your work please
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No, you don’t understand….. the Palestinians wanted to be self sufficient but the Zionist zombies made them dig up their water pipes to make rockets. It was the wise thing to do considering their neighbors. I have no idea why they should be afraid of Egypt but I have it on good authority it was the wise move.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Uh, it’s not propaganda. It’s a well documented fact. Are you disputing that Israel pulled out of Gaza in September 2005? Show your work please
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Yea, and created the world’s largest open air concentration camp. Filthy, bloodthirsty colonizers. Hellbent on starving women and children, if they can’t kill them all via indiscriminate carpet bombing.
 
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jp1 said:
So you are saying Palestinian civilians kidnapped the other 5%, or are you saying someone else did?
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I'm simply leaving the possibility open (however slim it is) that the Israelis would have tried to take some Palestinians on October 7th as retaliation.

Nothing more, nothing less. Again, I clearly said 95% was being generous. G*td*mn it...
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Uh, it’s not propaganda. It’s a well documented fact. Are you disputing that Israel pulled out of Gaza in September 2005? Show your work please
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Israel pulled their settlers out but they kept control of access, imports, fishing rights, oil and gas, etc.
That 'free election' was held going on 20 years ago, and the winners have been dictators since, aided by Israel.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm simply leaving the possibility open (however slim it is) that the Israelis would have tried to take some Palestinians on October 7th as retaliation.

Nothing more, nothing less. Again, I clearly said 95% was being generous. G*td*mn it...
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The Israelis have been gathering a lot of detainees in the West Bank. Of course they say 'arrests' but it's pretty much the same as kidnapping.
 
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EasternVol said:
Israel pulled their settlers out but they kept control of access, imports, fishing rights, oil and gas, etc.
That 'free election' was held going on 20 years ago, and the winners have been dictators since, aided by Israel.
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Good. I am glad you agree with me that Israel pulled completely OUT of Gaza in 2005.

And the last “Free Election” in pre war Germany was held in 1933. That did not stop German civilians from continuing to pay for their poor choices as late as 1945. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes applied then just like today.

Keep working, you will eventually gain wisdom Grasshopper
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Good. I am glad you agree with me that Israel pulled completely OUT of Gaza in 2005.

And the last “Free Election” in pre war Germany was held in 1933. That did not stop German civilians from continuing to pay for their poor choices as late as 1945.

Keep working, you will eventually gain wisdom Grasshopper
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No I don't agree that Israel 'pulled completely out' because that didn't happen as much as you want it as a talking point. They kept a lot of control, which ain't 'pulling out'.
Did you miss the part where Israel helped prop up hamas?
Thanks for the advice. We can all learn. You might want to get some more unbiased information yourself.
 
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EasternVol said:
No I don't agree that Israel 'pulled completely out' because that didn't happen as much as you want it as a talking point. They kept a lot of control, which ain't 'pulling out'.
Did you miss the part where Israel helped prop up hamas?
Thanks for the advice. We can all learn. You might want to get some more unbiased information yourself.
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I will defer to the ultimate unbiased authority
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The Landlord gave them the deed to the property about 3500 years ago. The Israelis are actually being generous letting the Palestinians have any of the land. And if the Palestinians were capable of living in peace, there wouldn’t be any problems.
That said, I understand the welll meaning intentions of people concerned about the plight of the Palestinian people, apparently yourself being one of them. But my historical lens goes back way further than 1948. Basically the Jewish people have been persecuted and subject to countless attempts at Genocide since the very beginning. Multiple powerful nations and empires throughout history have tried to wipe them out. The Egyptians, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Romans, the Third Reich. And since 1948 when they finally regained a very small plot of land in which to settle, their Arab “neighbors” have tried to destroy them on multiple occasions especially 1967 and 1973. And don’t forget the cruel barbaric attack in the Munich Olympics by PLO animals. Every loss of land by the Arabs post 1948 has been in direct response to a failed Arab attack. I stand with Israel and I encourage you to do the same. They are the most persecuted people in the History of the world. And October 7, 2023 shows that the irrational and mindless hatred toward them continues unabated.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I will defer to the ultimate unbiased authority
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The Landlord gave them the deed to the property about 3500 years ago. The Israelis are actually being generous letting the Palestinians have any of the land. And if the Palestinians were capable of living in peace, there wouldn’t be any problems.
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Well that's very convenient. At any rate most of them left or converted to other faiths, and other people moved in, all long long ago. It's not copacetic to abandon land for a thousand years and then claim it and clear out the rightful inhabitants.
If you get up to speed on your history you'll notice that it wasn't so much the Palestinians who couldn't live in peace as it was the European settlers.
 
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EasternVol said:
Well that's very convenient. At any rate most of them left or converted to other faiths, and other people moved in, all long long ago. It's not copacetic to abandon land for a thousand years and then claim it and clear out the rightful inhabitants.
If you get up to speed on your history you'll notice that it wasn't so much the Palestinians who couldn't live in peace as it was the European settlers.
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Just because you keep posting that, doesn't make it true.
 
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EasternVol said:
No I don't agree that Israel 'pulled completely out' because that didn't happen as much as you want it as a talking point. They kept a lot of control, which ain't 'pulling out'.
Did you miss the part where Israel helped prop up hamas?
Thanks for the advice. We can all learn. You might want to get some more unbiased information yourself.
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there’s that inferior propaganda you like so much
 
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