Israel vs Palestinians

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BreatheUT said:
False. It was a miserable fail. Notice what's around her neck. She was going to cover her face lie the klansmen used to do to hide their identity. Not happening down south where there are more red blooded loving Americans.
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Don't you think that if she wanted to cover her face it would be covered? A lot of folks wear the keffiyah around their shoulders like she's doing.
 
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KB5252 said:
How many countries do we have this type of relationship with in your opinion?
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Unfortunately, none to the full extent I outlined.

However, we have much more quid pro quo / tit-for-tat relationships with a much of the Middle East, Africa, among others. Just downgrading Israel from an ally relationship to a standard pragmatic relationship shared with their neighbors would be a step in the right direction.
 
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n_huffhines said:
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So you posted this because people were “being mean to her”?

This is the partisan nonsense I never understand. If you haven’t shown concerns for the multiple similar images of people harassing protestors on the other side, why would you expect anyone to care when it occurs to your side?

Yes, people at protests are often mean to the other side. Why is that important or significant?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Probably every school that wins a football or basketball national title (including my own) has its campus trashed far more than Columbia's was, and no one cares. People who say their opposition is about "property damage" are lying
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Lol that’s a delightfully convenient position.

So the Columbia damage was equivalent to title celebration (minus the assault, battery, threats, kidnapping) - Sure, ok.

The BLM riots resulted in ~$2B in property damage. Was that totally Ok, too?

If not, where is the line between “a window” and $2B?
 
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NashVol11 said:
“Assault and battery” to windows at Columbia but at UCLA it’s “just fireworks” 😭😭😭 SugarVol needs a vision checkup
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Nope.You’re just deflecting now.

The $2B in property damage done by BLM Riots - that perfectly Ok in your book?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
That’s fine.
You are entitled to think whatever you want. And since when has our conversations been about moving the needle? I’ve known you a long, long, time. We’ve had extensive discussions on topics where we were much further apart on beliefs and managed to discuss it at length. I’ve never seen you result to the weak “you’re just…blah blah “ defense to justify a strawman to argue against. That’s way beneath you and typically should be left to the uneducated. It’s something that should never come from someone with a degree in philosophy and as refined as you.
TRUT who have lit you up for that.
That’s all I was saying.
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I would like to think we have colored each other's perspective over the years which I would classify as moving the needle. Otherwise, why even bother conversing with others if we each think we know everything?

As for TRUT, I think you are misremembering him. He would have rightly conceded that on certain topics, some people are hopelessly confined to their prevailing mental paradigm, although he would have used much more colorful language than that.

I think you are reading too much into "you're just". Could I have phrased it better? Sure. For that, I apologize.

The crux of the issue is whether the demographic change in the coming decades will put Israel in a precarious situation. I think so. The ADL thinks so. Many Israelis think so.

It is a mistake to think this apprehension is merely about crazy pro-Palestinian protests on a handful of campuses. That kind of foolishness is indeed a flash in the pan as you alluded to. The problem is that the crazy protests are merely the tip of a massive and unsettling iceberg for the Israelis. There has been a drastic shift within my generation over the past 15 years so. It has went from decided pro-Israel to at least neutral/noninvolvement. Generation Z is at best neutral/noninvolvement, at worse pro-Palestinian, and actually significantly averages negative towards Israel. That is seismic shift. Meta factors include but are not limited to immigration, waning Judeo-Christian influence, or oppressed/oppressor worldview.

I think being a Millennial has given me a perspective and touchpoints that you simply, through no fault of your own, don't have access to (and vise versa). Regardless of anecdotal experience, the objective polling on this clear and perturbing to Israel.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I would like to think we have colored each other's perspective over the years which I would classify as moving the needle. Otherwise, why even bother conversing with others if we each think we know everything?

As for TRUT, I think you are misremembering him. He would have rightly conceded that on certain topics, some people are hopelessly confined to their prevailing mental paradigm, although he would have used much more colorful language than that.

I think you are reading too much into "you're just". Could I have phrased it better? Sure. For that, I apologize.

The crux of the issue is whether the demographic change in the coming decades will put Israel in a precarious situation. I think so. The ADL thinks so. Many Israelis think so.

It is a mistake to think this apprehension is merely about crazy pro-Palestinian protests on a handful of campuses. That kind of foolishness is indeed a flash in the pan as you alluded to. The problem is that the crazy protests are merely the tip of a massive and unsettling iceberg for the Israelis. There has been a drastic shift within my generation over the past 15 years so. It has went from decided pro-Israel to at least neutral/noninvolvement. Generation Z is at best neutral/noninvolvement, at worse pro-Palestinian, and actually significantly averages negative towards Israel. That is seismic shift. Meta factors include but are not limited to immigration, waning Judeo-Christian influence, or oppressed/oppressor worldview.

I think being a Millennial has given me a perspective and touchpoints that you simply, through no fault of your own, don't have access to (and vise versa). Regardless of anecdotal experience, the objective polling on this clear and perturbing to Israel.
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There you go.
That sounds more like you.

I disagree on 2 points. First…the no fault of my own….
I spent the last 10 years building a construction company. I sold that company a while back and semi retired. The point, I ran that company on the labor of mostly college students. At one point I ha 25 working for me. Can you guess what my preferred major to hire was? I’m better in tune with you youngsters than one might expect. 2nd. I disagree with this shift in mindset as well. There is definitely a group of pro Hamas dipshits pitching fits right now but they are a very vocal minority. In addition to that, by no fault of your own, your generation has the attention span of a cocker spaniel. Be it technology and social media or whatever, the mob now moves from issue to issue weekly instead of over decades.

We shall see
 
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NashVol11 said:
Because you aren’t saying anything. This isn’t your poor little old grandma’s house, it’s a building that has been occupied several times before at a school with a 10+ billion dollar endowment that replaces broken windows probably every few months with no issue. Having to appeal to “what if all of those things were completely different” should tell you that you never had a point beyond what I already said
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So minor property damage is okay as long as they have enough money to replace the items?

Since minor acts of violence are typically self healing, does that mean violence is also acceptable or possibly even more so
 
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jp1 said:
I will take "continue to dodge" for $200, Alex.
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I've already said the line isn't here, galaxy brain. Nothing about this incident implicates or threatens "the line." That conversation is a deflection from discussing what actually happened
 
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Most of this thread in the '60s would be telling me "you know I really would side with them, but they broke a WINDOW!!! What if it was YOUR window!!"
 
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NashVol11 said:
Most of this thread in the '60s would be telling me "you know I really would side with them, but they broke a WINDOW!!! What if it was YOUR window!!"
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lol you realize you can both side with them and disagree with vandalism right?

The “if I support you, do anything you want” standard you’re applying here is either a troll game or insane
 
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Vol8188 said:
lol you realize you can both side with them and disagree with vandalism right?

The “if I support you, do anything you want” standard you’re applying here is either a troll game or insane
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The standard you made up because I'm not clutching my pearls over a building window? Shocking lol
 
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