Israel vs Palestinians

[McDad]

I would say our actions do not make me have faith that's it's our top priority .

Well that changes things for me

 

[McDad]

Drive the Palestinians into the sea until American hostages are set free

 

[NashVol11]

Meanwhile

 

[McDad]

I just learned about this in the Israel thread. Unconscionable

 

[McDad]

Meanwhile

Good.

 

[utvolpj]

I would say our actions do not make me have faith that it's our top priority .

Good. It's really not worth getting too involved in something that could go sideways fast

 

[McDad]

Good. It's really not worth getting too involved in something that could go sideways fast

No.
Americans should not be held hostage. Death to those who do it.

 

[hog88]

Are we doing anything to help them?

They were told to stop.

 

[KB5252]

People here keep saying we don’t need to be sending money/weapons to Israel. They’ve killed 30K+ people and leveled most of Gaza and clearly don’t need our help.

Then we say if they invade Rafah we won’t send them more weapons and people are outraged at Biden for abandoning poor Israel? Critical thinking is dead

I think no matter where you fall on the issue of US support for Israel, in the context of the current conflict, there is room for criticism of Biden. His position is a political one, not one of principle.

 

[utvolpj]

No.
Americans should not be held hostage. Death to those who do it.

It's worth bigger war to go after people who knowingly put themselves in harms way? Are you willing to accept the same response from others whose family members get taken by the US?

 

[jp1]

It's worth bigger war to go after people who knowingly put themselves in harms way? Are you willing to accept the same response from others whose family members get taken by the US?

Knowingly put themselves in harms way?

 

[McDad]

It's worth bigger war to go after people who knowingly put themselves in harms way? Are you willing to accept the same response from others whose family members get taken by the US?

People being stupid is going to happen. If jailed bc of stupidity or broke laws where they are, there are consequences.
Terrorists holding the hostage is another matter.

If someone wants to lay waste to American terrorists holding nationals hostage, be my guest.

 

[utvolpj]

Knowingly put themselves in harms way?

You don't see a risk in vacationing in the middle east?

 

[NashVol11]

I think no matter where you fall on the issue of US support for Israel, in the context of the current conflict, there is room for criticism of Biden. His position is a political one, not one of principle.

I’ve been critical of him this whole time. Just think it’s funny that he’s being called “too mean to Israel” now for doing a thing many approve of, after supporting Israel through tens of thousands of killings and the displacement of millions more, with zero consequences for breaking the rules we set other than occasionally frowning at them

 

[McDad]

You don't see a risk in vacationing in the middle east?

In Israel?

Not usually. I've known dozens who've toured the Holy Land without any issue.

Americans should be safe in any country around the world.

 

[utvolpj]

People being stupid is going to happen. If jailed bc of stupidity or broke laws where they are, there are consequences.
Terrorists holding the hostage is another matter.

If someone wants to lay waste to American terrorists holding nationals hostage, be my guest.

The US military and intelligence apparatus spent the past 2 decades snatching people and sending them to Cuba. We were called terrorists. Are you OK with someone else killing as many Americans as it takes to get their countrymen home?

 

[McDad]

The US military and intelligence apparatus spent the past 2 decades snatching people and sending them to Cuba. We were called terrorists. Are you OK with someone else killing as many Americans as it takes to get their countrymen home?

Sure. If they wanna attack the US Armed forces, I thinks it's foolish but tit for tat.

But we aren't really comparing American "terrorism" to Hamas terrorism, are we?

 

[utvolpj]

Americans should be safe in any country around the world.

in a perfect world. But you can't treat the world like the us does and expect no consequences

 

[McDad]

in a perfect world. But you can't treat the world like the us does and expect no consequences

...and if the consequences of kidnapping Americans was your little patch of Earth ceased to exist, Americans would be safe anywhere.

Consequences can goes both ways.

 

[utvolpj]

But we aren't really comparing American "terrorism" to Hamas terrorism, are we?

I don't think that's a comparison any American really wants. How many have died in the past 2 decades because of us actions? Let's quit pretending that many in this world think of the US and see good. The actions of our govt make us targets

 

[jp1]

You don't see a risk in vacationing in the middle east?

Is that what they were doing?

 

[utvolpj]

...and if the consequences of kidnapping Americans was your little patch of Earth ceased to exist, Americans would be safe anywhere.

Consequences can goes both ways.

I would disagree. I think that would make it more dangerous

 

[McDad]

I don't think that's a comparison any American really wants. How many have died in the past 2 decades because of us actions? Let's quit pretending that many in this world think of the US and see good. The actions of our govt make us targets

I don't care how anyone in the world sees us. Also don't care America has been a busy body on the world stage. I don't support that.

I support no American ever being held hostage.

Our policy should be: if you thought we were the baddies before, just wait until you kidnap our countrymen.

 

[McDad]

I would disagree. I think that would make it more dangerous

Does anyone try to go to that island where they kill anyone foreign no matter their noble or good intentions?

People tend to respect irrational violence.

 

[KB5252]

I’ve been critical of him this whole time. Just think it’s funny that he’s being called “too mean to Israel” now for doing a thing many approve of, after supporting Israel through tens of thousands of killings and the displacement of millions more, with zero consequences for breaking the rules we set other than occasionally frowning at them

I'm not criticizing you at all. Just expressing why I think people are upset with Biden from both sides of the issue...... Of course there are those that would bemoan Biden no matter what as well.