Israel vs Palestinians

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NashVol11 said:
Where did anyone "talk about how ungrateful" anyone was, or even bring up gratitude? The tweet pointed out that treating a wound isn't abuse like it was framed to be, then KB said they should have taken her to a hospital which wasn't an option.
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Releasing her back to the Israelis so that THEY could take her to a hospital WAS an option though.
 
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EasternVol said:
Well now that you mention it, you should take a look at how things got to this. History didn’t begin in October 2023.
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No matter WHAT happened before October 2023, it doesn’t justify what Hamas did. There is NO MORAL RIGHT to deliberately Attacke, murder, and kidnap CIVILIANS because of your perception of being wronged. Hamas could have limited their attacks to soldiers and maybe been able to claim some justification; but butchering teenagers at a music festival is immoral, despicable, and cowardly. And any sympathy that I would have given Gaza and Hamad went out the window.
If you feel you have the right to go to war, at least be man enough to fight the opponent‘s military
 
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Was reading a story from the AP today and they referenced high support for Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, so I got curious and looked into it. I've seen some estimates of 60-to 70% in Gaza and 45% in the West Bank.

Support for the attacks on Oct 7th was around 70%.

Gazans by and large do not believe innocent people were targeted. They do not believe hostages should be released.

Found this info disturbing and astounding at the same time.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No matter WHAT happened before October 2023, it doesn’t justify what Hamas did. There is NO MORAL RIGHT to deliberately Attacke, murder, and kidnap CIVILIANS because of your perception of being wronged. Hamas could have limited their attacks to soldiers and maybe been able to claim some justification; but butchering teenagers at a music festival is immoral, despicable, and cowardly. And any sympathy that I would have given Gaza and Hamad went out the window.
If you feel you have the right to go to war, at least be man enough to fight the opponent‘s military
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You made some valid points. It's a two-way street though. What's wrong for one is wrong for the other.
 
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KB5252 said:
Was reading a story from the AP today and they referenced high support for Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, so I got curious and looked into it. I've seen some estimates of 60-to 70% in Gaza and 45% in the West Bank.

Support for the attacks on Oct 7th was around 70%.

Gazans by and large do not believe innocent people were targeted. They do not believe hostages should be released.

Found this info disturbing and astounding at the same time.
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I for one, am not shocked
 
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McDad said:
I counted about 30 that are currently open or will open in the morning. I didn't count the ones listed without any information for open or closed or the specialty facilities like mental health and fertility.

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Google's often out of date about pizza places in Tennessee. They're not real current on hospitals in Gaza.

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2. Chilling videos show injured Hamas hostage in al-Shifa hospital on Oct. 7 and the inside of terror tunnel beneath facility
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EasternVol said:
Google's often out of date about pizza places in Tennessee. They're not real current on hospitals in Gaza.

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NashVol11 said:
Not sure there are any hospitals that even exist in Gaza anymore, Israel bombed them all
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1. The tweet says Maya Regev was shot in the leg Oct-7th at the Nova music festival.
2. There is documented footage of Hamas hostages being rushed into al-Shifa hospital Oct 7th.
3. Hamas would have had to bypass at least five hospitals to get to Shifa regardless of route on Oct. 7th

Regardless of if al-Shifa was being utilized militarily (which I certainly think so); the other circumstances just don't reconcile with Maya being unable to receive proper medical treatment.

Using Occam's razor, my first guess is that whoever initially abducted Maya (Hamas cell, Islamic Jihad, criminal element...) kept her for profit.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
They got a midget?
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Somebody killed @joevol33 ???

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EasternVol said:
You made some valid points. It's a two-way street though. What's wrong for one is wrong for the other.
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That is the problems about these conflicts. If you look at the history of warfare and conflicts, over 90% of them are not a good vs. evil situation. You really cannot say one party is good and the other is evil. It is simple an Us vs. Them situation.

Equating morality to foreign policy just doesn't work. Land is finite and almost every war in history have been over land. A nation wants to take territory for another nation so they create a casus belli to do it (a reason to fight). Kind of like in EU4.

In fact, the two World Wars can almost be traced back to the land dispute between France and Germany over Alsace-Lorraine.
 
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