It doesn’t work… it never has…

[chattavol420]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Damn that’s harsh. So his offense isn’t as good when playing against national championship caliber defensively minded teams? You don’t say?

The truth is we are outgunned by uga. Damn near all their offensive lineman are veterans that were elite recruits to begin with. Our oline just isn’t that great. And uga hasn’t lost a game at home since 2019! So every single coach that brought a team in there over the last 5 years is garbage?

 

[GAVol]

CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.

Wouldn’t one of the main reasons that 9 win teams are 9 win teams be because they don’t give up as many points? I’d bet everybody’s PPG drops against 9 win teams.

 

[Volhoops]

The word on the street is, Hooker and Golesh made him looked better than he really is. Might should share some of his overpaid salary with Hooker and Golesh.

In fairness, there were two WR that went pro from that team that helped Hooker look good. But they all disappeared against GA.

 

[mpfvol]

I like CJH but I also dislike having a coach married to playing a certain scheme over just winning games like Saban . If TN could get Curt Cignetti I would do it . If not CJH is a good enough coach and can win it all if he gets all the right players.

 

[SGMVols]

I like CJH but I also dislike having a coach married to playing a certain scheme over just winning games like Saban . If TN could get Curt Cignetti I would do it . If not CJH is a good enough coach and can win it all if he gets all the right players.

Well yeah, it’s not hard to win if you have 70 blue chip players like Saban did lol.

 

[ftsandersvol]

SEC coaches have now had four years of experience against Heupel’s offense. Sitting at home, I have about a 75% success rate on what play we are going to run based on the down and yardage, game situation, and formation. I imagine good SEC coaches have a much better success rate than me.

Georgia's OC kept our defense off balance all game last night.

 

[Volizona]

I know last night didn’t end the way we wanted but I think we are seeing a huge shift and change in CJH. I think he knows his old scheme was flawed and he’s making the necessary adjustments to it. I’m excited in what I am seeing from him!


With that said it seems to me our route concepts need the most evolution going forward or maybe our WRs are just not good enough.


Either way my confidence in CJH has never been higher as I have seen a massive change in him since this thread was started over a year ago.

I wish he would go back to the old scheme. The new one is clearly not working.

 

[GVol1966]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

A year ago Hooker was in the NFL.

But you may be right about the rest.

 

[GVol1966]

Wouldn’t one of the main reasons that 9 win teams are 9 win teams be because they don’t give up as many points? I’d bet everybody’s PPG drops against 9 win teams.

That’s a very interesting post.
Considering this thread was started a year ago and here we are talking about the same issue.
This year we didn’t just drop way down vs 9 win teams but against any with 6 or more wins.

Someone capable do the research and see how much of a drop off other good teams drop offensively vs 9 win teams.

 

[DukeDaisySam]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Ouch

 

[#1HomeGrownUTVOL]

Yall boys need to buckle up because heupel is about to start feeling the heat. The armchair spectators don’t understand how angry the base and the boosters are right now.

This may be the dumbest comment I have ever seen on Volnation, and that says a lot! Coach Hype has taken us further than any coach in the last 20 years. He is not feeling the heat. Yeah, we have a right to be aggravated because we lost but dang man don’t forget what this man has done for us.

 

[Orangeslice13]

That’s a very interesting post.
Considering this thread was started a year ago and here we are talking about the same issue.
This year we didn’t just drop way down vs 9 win teams but against any with 6 or more wins.

Someone capable do the research and see how much of a drop off other good teams drop offensively vs 9 win teams.

We have not run the same offense this year either so….

 

[GVol1966]

We have not run the same offense this year either so….

How so? I disagree, it is the same offense, just Taylord to the personnel we have now

 

[BreatheUT]

A year ago Hooker was in the NFL.

But you may be right about the rest.

Pro Tip: You may want to look at the date of the post.

 

[GVol1966]

Pro Tip: You may want to look at the date of the post.

I did. That’s why I said hooker was in the NFL.
Pro tip: maybe understand the context before trying to correct someone.

Point is , same problem being discussed a year later same as it was last year.


I’m doubting you are really a pro!!!

 

[fossilfiction]

I don’t know if he’s a national championship coach. What I do know is that I’d rather watch people lose their minds over being 8-2 than see the program rot like it did for over a decade. It hasn’t always been fun this year, but it’s definitely been way more fun than not.

 

[Orangeslice13]

How so? I disagree, it is the same offense, just Taylord to the personnel we have now

Right
So not the same as we ran in 2021-2022 and tailored to the athletes we have.
I’d be willing to bet as the freshman and sophomore players, we have for the O line, grow with the redshirt freshman QB we have……our offense will continue to evolve.
It might even look like 21-22 again at some point

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don’t know if he’s a national championship coach. What I do know is that I’d rather watch people lose their minds over being 8-2 than see the program rot like it did for over a decade. It hasn’t always been fun this year, but it’s definitely been way more fun than not.

People forget the CPF was here for years building something before he took over as head coach. It seems to me that the line is the hardest thing to put together. It takes time regardless of who you are. We got some young guys that at least appear to have real potential. There’s reason to believe we will be better at the O line over the next few seasons and the D line will reload. Looking forward to not having to beat vandy to be bowl eligible….and being relevant in the playoff conversation as long as Hypel is here.

 

[BreatheUT]

I did. That’s why I said hooker was in the NFL.
Pro tip: maybe understand the context before trying to correct someone.

Point is , same problem being discussed a year later same as it was last year.


I’m doubting you are really a pro!!!

Bruin posted that Nov 2023 (last season). That was Milton's first full season starting.

The 2022 season Hendon was the starter until he got hurt at South Carolina.

What am I missing?

 

[GVol1966]

Right
So not the same as we ran in 2021-2022 and tailored to the athletes we have.
I’d be willing to bet as the freshman and sophomore players, we have for the O line, grow with the redshirt freshman QB we have……our offense will continue to evolve.
It might even look like 21-22 again at some point

22 was about as good as you can expect to get!!
22 offense got shut down by UGA too!

 

[GVol1966]

Bruin posted that Nov 2023 (last season). That was Milton's first full season starting.

The 2022 season Hendon was the starter until he got hurt at South Carolina.

What am I missing?

He posted that in 23, yes and said “last year with Hooker “ meaning 22.

I purposefully said Hooker was in the NFL last year, to emphasize we are still talking about the inability of the offense to perform at the same level against good teams for 2 years now.

You missed the point! Same problem 2 years running

And tried to pro tip me , erroneously thinking I didn’t see the date of the original post.

 

[BradentonVol]

I’d love to hear the rebuttal regarding the actual numbers.


The numbers are glaringly different…

Never mind, just realized this post is from last year.

 

[Orangeslice13]

22 was about as good as you can expect to get!!
22 offense got shut down by UGA too!

I don’t necessarily believe that. We have not had someone in the system for more than 1-2 years. I’m interested to see what more time can produce. but time will tell.

 

[BreatheUT]

He posted that in 23, yes and said “last year with Hooker “ meaning 22.

I purposefully said Hooker was in the NFL last year, to emphasize we are still talking about the inability of the offense to perform at the same level against good teams for 2 years now.

You missed the point! Same problem 2 years running

And tried to pro tip me , erroneously thinking I didn’t see the date of the original post.

The bottom line is your post made no sense. The timeline of Bruin's post and your Hooker comment made no sense unless you expected someone reading your post to understand you had changed the timeline.

 

[GVol1966]

I don’t necessarily believe that. We have not had someone in the system for more than 1-2 years. I’m interested to see what more time can produce. but time will tell.

We were 1 or 2 in the country in scoring for the season, can’t get much better than 1